On November 20 2006, 11:37 AM, Big_Ant wrote:What sport are you training for? Sch, FR?
Or is this just a personal type of PP Training?
I have to say, that I was far from impressed with the videos. The dog didn't seem to be in control in the bark/hold video at all. He was far too jumpy and jittery.
And I know that this is not a requirement, but I have always done my training where the actual bite is the end result, and a treat, not something that's just thrown around.
In most of the clubs I've worked with we require that the dog be in absolute control before they are allowed to take a bite, and that usually requires quite a bit of training.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but I don't know you, and I have no clue on your story with your dogs.
- Anthony
On November 20 2006, 11:37 AM, Big_Ant wrote:What sport are you training for? Sch, FR?
Or is this just a personal type of PP Training?
I have to say, that I was far from impressed with the videos. The dog didn't seem to be in control in the bark/hold video at all. He was far too jumpy and jittery.
And I know that this is not a requirement, but I have always done my training where the actual bite is the end result, and a treat, not something that's just thrown around.
In most of the clubs I've worked with we require that the dog be in absolute control before they are allowed to take a bite, and that usually requires quite a bit of training.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but I don't know you, and I have no clue on your story with your dogs.
- Anthony
On November 20 2006, 4:32 PM, Big_Ant wrote:I'd say first thing is that the dog should not be at the point that he's allowed to take any bites, period.
In terms of the dog itself, it needs to be in much more control than was displayed. All of that hopping around, turning it's head towards you, etc., are things that you need to work on.
A TRUE Bark/Hold consists of the dog in a guard stand (or sit, trainer preference) and the dog must be focused and still in it's intent. There can be no hopping. While I've seen some dogs that are extremely drivey and they just can't control some muscle jerks, the jumping around displayed in the video is too much.
The turning of the head towards you I think is, I believe (correct me if I'm wrong someone), a major point deduction (if not disqualification) in a true PP trial. Judging by the behavior and actions in the video (and I could be wrong since it is just video) the turning of the head is a lack of confidence on the dogs part, and shows that he's not sure of how he should react or act to the posed situation.
I would say that you need to take 10 steps back and start from the ground up with basic concepts. To me it seems like maybe this Trainer rushed things too much and the dog doesn't have the confidence and possibly knowledge to know how to handle the situations, and he doesn't have the proper obedience training to perform to standard.
The key thing to remember that most bite sport (specifically Sch.) is really only a small part bite, the majority of it is obedience, control, situational reaction, etc.
As I said, get all of the basics down with the dog before he's allowed to take a bite.
The bite should be a reward, not an every day thing. It is not uncommon that a Sch. Trained dog will only get a bite once in every 5 days of Training. It keeps the dog much more focused and not thinking that the bite is something that is easily achieved. They must work to earn that reward.
- Anthony
My friend wants me to compete Jaeger in PSA and/or French Ring.
Please, tell me what you found wrong with the videos. I am trying to get advice. The trainer we are using has about 25yrs of experience, but I have gotten a lot of mixed opinions about the videos of him training my dogs. So please, share. I am trying to learn.
On November 20 2006, 6:59 PM, mnp13 wrote:In PSA the dog can hold and bark in any position, they can also be anywhere during the escort, as long as they are watching the decoy.
I'm very curious about your trainer. You have only been doing bitework for under 6 months and inconsistantly, but you are doing call offs, working multiple dogs and doing the car jacking senario?
When did you do the foundation work?
On November 20 2006, 22:17, Ultimatek9 wrote:Jim (the decoy/trainer) started Eros w/o me. A lot of times he takes in a dog and starts their training, and then incorporates the owner later.
Is this wrong?
I know I don't like doing it that way for my obedience clients, but I was assured that it is fine for protection training.
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