On December 04 2006, cheekymunkee wrote:The original purpose of the dog show was to determine & promote quality breeding stock. Altered dogs cannot be bred so no reason to champion them. And besides, the registry cannot make money off of an altered dog...........no registration money will be made from a litter.
On December 05 2006, 1:52 PM, Karen wrote:Altered classes WERE offered and there was a thing to do a CH and stuff. What happened? NO ONE BOTHERED TO SHOW. Done killed it deader than a doornail.
On December 05 2006, 12:52, Karen wrote:Altered classes WERE offered and there was a thing to do a CH and stuff. What happened? NO ONE BOTHERED TO SHOW. Done killed it deader than a doornail.
On December 06 2006, mnp13 wrote:
I'm not talking about "altered classes" I'm talking about showing in the same classes as the other dogs.
What's the difference? So many crappy dogs get titles that should NEVER be bred and don't come within light years of the standards. Maybe a few altered dogs would bump them out of the running.
On December 05 2006, Fear_the_Sheeple wrote:Isn't that outdated?
On 12/10/2006 8:02 AM, Patch O' Pits wrote:Though some may show dogs unworthy of titles that are unaltered, it isn't fair to the people who have genuinely are showing wquality stock for the right reasons to allow it.
Judges shouldn't be giving points to unworthy dogs. I have seen judges with hold ribbons to class dogs when they thought no dog earned it. I was iimpressed with that. I have only seen that a couple of times though sadly.
On December 11 2006, Big_Ant wrote:On 12/10/2006 8:02 AM, Patch O' Pits wrote:Judges shouldn't be giving points to unworthy dogs. I have seen judges with hold ribbons to class dogs when they thought no dog earned it. I was iimpressed with that. I have only seen that a couple of times though sadly.
This is what I have been talking about. Back in the 80's this was not that uncommon. These days it's unheard of. We need some real APBT Judges who decide to put their foot down and refuse to award when the dogs aren't quality.
I agree that ribbons should be withheld if the dogs aren't worthy, but that doesn't happen. Adding altered dogs to the mix shouldn't change that.
LOL I personally like when there is a lot of competition and have pulled my dogs when their wasn't and even canceled plans to go to shows where the event secretaries didn't think many would show. That being said conformation is supposed to be for breeding quality dogs so that status does matter. Thus that has nothing to do with ones that are spay/nuetered IMO If they want to do it for fun there are fun matches. Like others have said the people don't come out to do those fun matches any wayHow so? I don't get this reasoning. So because Blackie No-Balls wins a ribbon over Sir Puppy Pumper-Outer because No-Balls has better conformation, that's somehow unfair? I don't see how that makes any sense whatsoever. If your dog isn't the best in the ring, he's shouldn't win a ribbon. Period. What does it matter what the winnner's reproductive status is? What, are we afraid of a little more competition?
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