Yeah I have the flippy flyer (walmart like $6) too but now Rocky prefers this frisbie. Im starting slow by having him catch it close and clicking the second he catches it and giving a piece of meat for treat. Working well he runs the frisbie right back if I click. I click again and treat for the return because he much prefer to run away and chew it up. If I do a long throw and he does not catch it he sometimes still wants to chew it. So far this seems to be a good frisbie. here is the link. http://hyperflite.com/
Click on the store. I bought the Jawz ugly since it was cheaper. My Dad has an Aussie who plays frisbie obsessively and she has been playing with her same Jawz frisbie for a few years. Will let you all know how it is holding up in a few weeks from now.