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Postby julie k » August 9th, 2006, 3:09 pm

Change in pack order can cause behavioral changes.

Your son is now becoming more mobile; that is a change.

Your dog's reaction is inappropriate, but thankfully he gave a warning first instead of a bite. And you are correct in that your son, wife, and you should come first no matter what.

Full thyroid panel should be done, relatively inexpensive.
This could also be a vaccine related incident. How long ago was he last innoculated?

I am so sad for you, this is hard.

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Postby JCleve86 » August 9th, 2006, 3:16 pm

This is where I differ from Michelle tremendously. Of course, pit bulls are dogs...there could be something, in fact, there probably IS something that changed his behavior. Bottom line? A pit bull should NOT be so unsound that a simple change in routine makes him growl at a child, when traditionally the most harm this breed would pose to a kid would be knocking him over because he was too excited to play with the little one. There are hundreds, THOUSANDS of other pit bulls who have experienced MUCH worse, MUCH more dramatic changes who still wouldn't DREAM of snapping at people.

I'm sorry...with something that sounds this extreme (lunging at strangers, at your baby), I don't think there is any reason to make excuses. Pit bulls should be rock solid, period, and your dog isn't.

As far as I'm concerned humanely euthanizing the dog is the only responsible thing to do, especially when it comes to this particular breed. Of course he's not my pup, and I know it's a lot harder to make that decision when it IS your dog. I do understand that. I just hope that as you go through the decision making process, nobody gets hurt, most especially your baby. If you haven't already, I'd keep the dog away from the baby at all times unless very, very closely supervised, if even then. Your childs safety is much more valuable than the life of any dog, especially if the trade off is just having the dog in another room.
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Postby Big_Ant » August 9th, 2006, 3:16 pm

sadowner wrote:I forgot to mention my wife recently started a new job . It used to be she stayed home with the baby and dog and i worked. Now i stay at home and the baby really takes up alot of time. Could this have anything to do with it?

Yes that's important. That falls under #2 of Michelle's Questions.

sadowner wrote:I understand alot of people are saying "put the dog down period" but they dont understand i raised this dog. I have put alot of time into this dog. I take him everyplace. He is more then some dog to me. I really want to understand what is happening. He and my son are almost the same age. He has always been great with the baby.

Yes. We understand that you've put alot of time into the dog. Yes he's "part of the family", and you "raised him", but if the final result of this is that you are recommended that you put the dog down then you need to make sure and do it, PERIOD.

IMO, it is a reality with owning this breed that should something like this come to reality, you need to be able to put the dog down.

I've had many many pit bulls throughout my life, many whom I would have died for, but if something like this were to have come about, and after evaluating the dog, I came to the realization that the dog needed to be PTS, then I would have in a heartbeat without hesitation.

However, keep in mind that this is not a "RULING" on your dog's possible aggression, I'm just voicing my opinion on the possible result that you may face.

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Postby Big_Ant » August 9th, 2006, 3:19 pm

JCleve86 wrote:This is where I differ from Michelle tremendously. Of course, pit bulls are dogs...there could be something, in fact, there probably IS something that changed his behavior. Bottom line? A pit bull should NOT be so unsound that a simple change in routine makes him growl at a child, when traditionally the most harm this breed would pose to a kid would be knocking him over because he was too excited to play with the little one. There are hundreds, THOUSANDS of other pit bulls who have experienced MUCH worse, MUCH more dramatic changes who still wouldn't DREAM of snapping at people.

I'm sorry...with something that sounds this extreme (lunging at strangers, at your baby), I don't think there is any reason to make excuses. Pit bulls should be rock solid, period, and your dog isn't.

As far as I'm concerned humanely euthanizing the dog is the only responsible thing to do, especially when it comes to this particular breed. Of course he's not my pup, and I know it's a lot harder to make that decision when it IS your dog. I do understand that. I just hope that as you go through the decision making process, nobody gets hurt, most especially your baby. If you haven't already, I'd keep the dog away from the baby at all times unless very, very closely supervised, if even then. Your childs safety is much more valuable than the life of any dog, especially if the trade off is just having the dog in another room.


I whole-heartedly agree! Very good post J!
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Postby sadowner » August 9th, 2006, 3:28 pm

The dog is being kept in the yard away from everyone, I just was outside with him and he just looks up at me with the "im sorry" face.

If they check him out and say he should be pts I will do just that. Even though i love him , I love my wife and Son more.


This is what bothers me,.......

Some say something if causing this because he never acted like this in the past.

BUT

I have read books after books on apbt's and one thing i keep remembering is how they are breed NOT to show agression towards people.

I just cant get over that part. :(

The very first time this happend was I was walking him, i was in a not too good area, a drunk man walked towards me and was yelling, my dog wanted to eat him. The guy was crazy and im sure if my dog wasnt with me id have been in a fight or god knows what. That was the first time my dog saw how people could be scared of him. I was so shocked at the whole thing that i didnt really say anything to the dog. Now that i think of it. Could i have kind of inforced this? Maybe now he likes scaring people?


Also Id like to clear up something, i never said he lunged at the baby. He laid on the floor and went grrr. Im not down playing it but dont blow it up either. If im going to deal with what happend i have to deal with what happend!
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Postby Big_Ant » August 9th, 2006, 3:32 pm

ok, so he didn't "LUNG" at your son, but this comment here:

sadowner wrote:Recently he has been trying to attack randon people while on a walk, anyone from some old lady to some teenage kid.


... is just as bad.

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Postby a-bull » August 9th, 2006, 3:36 pm

sadowner wrote:Karen is on iggy because i dont have time for stupid comments, so far she has made two i dont have time for it.

mnp13 I will look for someone to evaluate our dog in our area. Its kind of hard though because alot of people look at the breed as evil.

In the mean time i have some questions if someone could help me.

I forgot to mention my wife recently started a new job . It used to be she stayed home with the baby and dog and i worked. Now i stay at home and the baby really takes up alot of time. Could this have anything to do with it?

I understand alot of people are saying "put the dog down period" but they dont understand i raised this dog. I have put alot of time into this dog. I take him everyplace. He is more then some dog to me. I really want to understand what is happening. He and my son are almost the same age. He has always been great with the baby.


I definitely do not think you should put the dog down.

I never suggest that, especially in cyberspace where you are just asking for suggestions/advice---and no one knows you or has met your dog.

I'm going to hang tough with my suggestion of an evaluation, and I agree with "SisMorphine" above . . . a trip to the vet would also be good to make sure there is no underlying illness that could be causing the behavior change.

Hang in there. :)
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Postby Sue » August 9th, 2006, 3:37 pm

See what a behaviorist says, see what the vets says, then make the right decision for your family. This isn't a dog stuck in a shelter, like thousands of others, waiting for a home, where a ill tempered dog could cause a correctly temped dog lose their life. This a member of your family and he deserves to have every avenue exhausted before having him euth'd. Take the proper precautions to safeguard your family while you have him evaluated. Good luck, I can only imagine what you are going through.
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Postby sadowner » August 9th, 2006, 4:10 pm

I dont think its going to work. I gave him a chance. I went in the yard sto get his bowl and he attacked me. He ripped my shirt. I am shakin so bad. His teeht were out and all. How can he do that after i raised him?


Family memebrs are taking him to be put down.

thanks for th help guys. ill keep postin here. Just need to get out right now.
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Postby cheekymunkee » August 9th, 2006, 4:11 pm

I am so sorry. :cry:
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Postby Marinepits » August 9th, 2006, 4:15 pm

My thoughts are with you.
Never make someone a priority in your life when that someone treats you like an option.
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Postby Romanwild » August 9th, 2006, 4:38 pm

What ever is wrong with him isn't anymore.

Someone post that rainbow bridge thing.
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Postby Sue » August 9th, 2006, 4:51 pm

Rainbow Bridge

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....

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Postby SisMorphine » August 9th, 2006, 5:04 pm

That must have been very scary. I am so sorry.

I would like to suggest, though, a necropsy. They may find something and it may help to put your mind at ease that it was something medical.
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Postby Magnolia618 » August 9th, 2006, 5:44 pm

I'm so sorry :cry:

It really sounds like he has some screws loose up there. It totally could be a genetic thing :|

I definitely agree with Jcleve.
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » August 9th, 2006, 5:51 pm

I'm so sorry for you. Please remember him as he used to be, not how he was at the end - that wasn't him. I'm sorry.
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Postby Sue » August 9th, 2006, 6:10 pm

SisMorphine wrote:That must have been very scary. I am so sorry.

I would like to suggest, though, a necropsy. They may find something and it may help to put your mind at ease that it was something medical.


I agree, it might bring some closure.
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Postby rockermom » August 9th, 2006, 6:12 pm

I was going to say the same thing as sis. But if I remember correctly that dog owner did not find out on her first visit to vet, she ended up going for a second opinion maybe a specialist who found the problem. After that I dont remember ever hearing from her again. I must say this is scarry what you are going through since my dog is now 13 months also. Let us know how it goes at the vet.
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Postby JCleve86 » August 9th, 2006, 8:22 pm

I'm sorry. You've made the right decision, especially in light of him attacking you. I hate to say it, but thank God it was you and not your son. This is exactly the reason I feel the way I do about human aggression...

Know that it wasn't your fault. A dogs temperament is up to 80 percent genetically determined...so if your dog was wired to be unsound, there was only so much you could have to done to change it...I think most folks explain it like this...genetics determine a range of behavior your dog will fall into. Upbringing, then, determines where IN this range the dog will behave. It sounds VERY much to me, especially given the breed, that your dog was just not wired properly. Again...it's not your fault, nor is it the dogs fault.

If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at his breeder. In fact, you might contact them and let them know your dog turned out to be completely unstable...hopefully whatever dogs your pup came out of will not be bred anymore, if they are still being used for that.
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Postby sadowner » August 9th, 2006, 9:08 pm

:cry: Thankyou all for all the kind words. He is gone now. My wife is mad because of what he did. I am very hurt and sad. It scared me when he attacked me, I have never seen him like that before. I had family members take him for me, I was too upset. When they took him they were even crying. Everyone loves him. I dont know what his issue was, His brother lives with my friend and he is a great dog. No problems as with my dog.

I knew all along it wasnt going to work. I have been around pb's before and they never have shown human agression.

I would like to share some pics of him with you all. I have pics when he was a puppy and a pic i took last week of him. I cant post pics on here though can I?
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