DemoDick wrote:In my case leash corrections were not as effective (rebelling) as food rewards for doing the right thing.
We're not talking about refusing to down. We're talking about openly challenging the handler. I too use rewards throughout training. But we're not talking about training. We're talking about respect. Respect is gained throught the consistent enforcement of boundaries. It sounds like this dog (1) doesn't know where the boundaries are or (2) knows and is pushing them. In either case he needs a wake up call for growling at the handler. Cookies aren't going to cut it.
JCleve86 wrote:Michelle, do you still use a prong? E-collar?
Chris Fraize wrote:A five month old puppy that can poop on command? Let me just do the math here. You got the puppy mid-June so you've had it for about 4 weeks? I have been a professional trainer for 16 years and I couldn't do this. Not to mention the fact that if the dog doesn't have to go to the bathroom how can it comply with the command? Teaching a puppy in three months to poop on command with corrections? That's asking a lot of a very young puppy. What it sounds like is the owner not understanding training and dog behavior and pushing a puppy well beyond it's level of understanding. The dog tried to tell the owner that the correction was either too severe or not understood by objecting (growling, snapping, whatever). This isn't bad wiring, it's just simply bad training and bad understanding of dog behavior. Good dogs often correct their handlers when their handlers are unfair. Sounds like a good dog to me. Just my two cents but the conversation about the GL, hanging them up, and all the other suggestions are focussed on the dog, and it sounds like this problem is on the owner, who in this case is teaching the dog to be handler sharp (aggressive to handler). Again, just my two cents.
mnp13 wrote:My first question - what experience does your vet have with training? A gentle leader is going to do nothing to help an aggression problem. "Dog Prozac" is going to do nothing to help an aggression problem. Vets are medical doctors, unless this vet has actual training experience (and ask for credentials) I would speak to a trainer. I'm assuming you don't ask your medical doctor for advice on what training regimine you should do for bicycle riding?
2. Demo did not say "strangle the dog". Enough theatrics. I've done "the march" with Ruby more than once, it doesn't injure her, or really even hurt her. Grab the collar, stand up and walk. It's uncomfortable, but it gets the point across quite clearly.
mnp13 wrote:how long have you been training the dog to "down"?
Also, is he growling or grumbling?
Soooo, the other day, I was working on his sit, down and stay with no leash corrections, and when I told him down, he just looked at me like I had three heads.
I told him no,
and repeated the command. He growled at me
and I hung him as was explained by Demo Dick and the trainer. I felt bad afterwards because it scared both him and me. He tried to bite my hand when I pulled the leash up, but soon settled down.
a-bull wrote:"Hanging" a puppy or dog in any fashion, under any circumstances, be it successful or not, is not good training.
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