katiek0417 wrote:In a competition, you are testing the dog's ability to not only protect you...but also stand up against pressure...in PSA, a 38 caliber gun is fired twice during the bite during the carjacking scenario....the dog should not come off the bite just because it hears the gun....
This makes sense. Thank you for the explanation.
So the purpose of the stick is to test the dog's confidence, and to be sure it obeys and does not let go of the decoy despite being struck?
I can understand why swinging the stick in its face, or over its head, firing guns, throwing buckets with rocks, etc will be used, and I would have no problem with it. But I still have moral objections to inflicting pain on the dog. I would think the other things would provide enough of a distraction to test the dog's obedience and confidence?
I could see the necessity of hitting the dog with the stick if you are training a police dog, where it may actually encounter such a thing in its job and must therefore be prepared. But I guess I just don't see how it's justified if bitework is being used as a sport?
babyreba wrote:I was making a general note on aggression and how it's being discussed here.
Not a note on Lindsay's posts.
Ok gotcha now. Sorry if I misunderstood.
SisMorphine wrote:If a dog is showing dominance towards humans that dog does not have enough dscipline. I used to think "bad dog, put it to sleep" but my eyes have been opened to the reality that it is simply a dog who has not been shown boundaries. And what's bitework? The highest form of obedience. What is obedience? Boundaries. So why can't a dog who just hasn't ever been put in it's place before one day be able to work up to doing bitework by being shown intense boundaries and discipline and being taught when it is actually appropriate to bite?
I was referring to dogs that despite extensive training, still display dominance aggression towards humans. I assumed that the average dog that was shown boundaries would not have this dominance problem. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I am referring to dogs with dominance issues that have not responded to extensive training. There are some dogs that despite all the work you put into them, will never be 'fixed'. Perhaps they are rescues and have had their behaviors ingrained in them over a long period of time. Perhaps they were not neutered until a late age (or never neutered?). These are the types of dogs I was referring to. Some might consider the dominance/confidence they display to be a good thing, but in actuality it may make them dangerous. And the dog may see its trainer as alpha, but not other people. And this is where my concern lies...
I agree with you about a dog that has never had any form of training before and does not understand. Bitework training, or nearly any form of disciplined training, would be a good idea for such a dog.