SisMorphine wrote:I guess when I do things I make sure they are done right. I don't believe in pulling a dog from a shelter and having it eat crap and just sit around while being fostered. I believe in feeding that dog the highest quality kibble and making sure that dog has a buttload of training and socialization because that is the real responsibility of a foster home . . . not just to be a space away from a shelter.
SisMorphine wrote:$64 a month. Let's break that down, shall we?
$64 will buy 5 or 6 pizzas
$64 is one meal at a decent restaurant
$64 is 3 30 racks of Budweiser (shut up, I went to UMass, I know these things)
msvette2u wrote:Since this thread has started I've stated again and again our animals' health is not suffering. IF it did, I'd reconsider our choices with 1) feeding and/or 2) the amt. of animals we have. But since it isn't happening the point is moot.
cheekymunkee wrote:WHy is it an attack when we are talking about what YOU feed but not when we are talking about what WE feed.?
Somehow, Lindsay, I have a feeling that no matter what we said we fed them - we'd have been attacked. Oops that is unless we said "raw"
If we couldn't afford our dogs we would not have them either.
$64 a month. Let's break that down, shall we?
$64 will buy 5 or 6 pizzas
$64 is one meal at a decent restaurant
$64 is 3 30 racks of Budweiser (shut up, I went to UMass, I know these things)
It's not that much. How much are you spending now a month? I bet the difference between the two is equal to a night at the movies and a pizza, so why not just give that up each month? I was spending $150 a month on one dog last summer/fall . . . and I was only making $100 a week. He came first.
I guess my issue is that I am no longer a bleeding heart. There was a point at which my roommates and I had 2 ferrets, 2 rabbits, 5 rats, and 5 chinchillas in a small apartment that didn't allow any pets. With the exception of the ferrets all of the other pets were rescues because we were bleeding hearts.
Do I regret saving them and spending my paycheck on them each week? Nope. But would I overload myself like that again? Absolutely not. It killed my standard of living, stripped me of all cash, because I insisted on feeding all of those animals correctly, including my roommate's chinchillas as he would feed them Taco Bell instead of proper chin food. I wouldn't have it. I spread myself too thin.
Now I've grown up, I've matured, and I have realized my limit (much like how in college you would constantly drink until you puked Freshman year . . . but by Senior year you knew your limit). I will not compromise my animal's health to add more to this house than I can handle. And this is why I'm not a rescuer. I *gasp* put myself and my family before all else *what a selfish bitch* My family includes my two dogs and my rabbit. I will not sacrifice our standard of living and our health.
cheekymunkee wrote:Well *gasp* neither are OURS!!!!! Moot point indeed.
Magnolia618 wrote:Linsday, you still have not responded to the post that I already quoted once.
LindsaySF wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:WHy is it an attack when we are talking about what YOU feed but not when we are talking about what WE feed.?
You can debate over the Kirkland's all you want. I welcome it in fact. I would like to see information about it.
Magnolia618 wrote:But how do you know these are problems associated with a kibble diet? You have no evidence for that, you are just assuming it.
From certain kibbles? Yes. I have never said that some dogs dont do great on kibble. I dont have a problem if you feed a high quality kibble. I AM saying that alot of kibbles are unhealthy for dogs. AND I am saying that I believe that these problems are much less likely to occur on raw than on most kibbles (because most kibbles are crap...)
How old was the cat? How much was it being fed? How much exercise was it getting?
It was a DOG. (wow...) "It" was being fed.... 2 cups a day? Maybe 3? He was a 9 yr old GSHP. He got plenty of exercise.Did she get a skin scraping for mange? Do you know what it was that she had?
Yes. It was demodex mange.I'm glad she is better, but you have no evidence whatsoever that it was the raw diet that did it. Sorry.
Maybe I dont have actual evidence in her case, but I do in another. A friend of mine has a dog who had a mild case of demodex. The dog was eating MERRICK. She switched the dog to raw, and POOF! No more demodex.If she was allergic to something in the kibble, then replacing that kibble with another kibble that did not contain the ingredient she was allergic to would also have stopped her problems.
Yes, I'm sure she would have gone very well on a high quality kibble. I never said she wouldnt. I said that I fed raw to a dog with a compromised immune system, and it worked.
LindsaySF wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:Well *gasp* neither are OURS!!!!! Moot point indeed.
But here's the difference, WE never said your animals were suffering.
We pointed out risks associated with raw diets, provided links to them, etc. At no point did we say you guys were killing your dogs and they would be better off if you didn't have them.
See the difference?
~Lindsay~
SisMorphine wrote:*WARNING: Sociology background has suddenly clicked in*
PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS AN ATTACK! I have a background in sociology and this is the way my mind works.
I am wondering if our differences here are based on a difference in a standard of living. And by that I'm not trying to say "ya'll are rednecks and we's kings and queens." Standard of living is how you feel comfortable living your life, mostly based on how you were brought up.
I will admit, I have a pretty high standard of living. It's been rough these past 4 years not being able to live up to that standard, and frankly it has taken a toll on my emotional state. I have pushed that standard of living onto my own animals. But because I am in control of their SOL I don't feel that I can compromise theirs as they have no choice in the matter, so if it came down to that again I would first compromise my SOL. But I don't want to compromise my SOL if it's not necessary (ie: adding more animals).
Different people have different SOL due to backgrounds (usually a combination of ethnic, moral, social class, area of the country, etc). Mine's high, I admit it. I have trouble understanding how peopple can have a different SOL than me (whether it be higher or lower) I admit that also. So I guess what I'm saying is that as long as your SOL is the same or lower than that which you assign to your pets, I really can't have an issue with it. My mind still gets slightly closed around SOL topics, which is something that I admittedly have to work on.
Truce? (Is that even how you spell that? I've ever had to write it down before . . .)
I guess the conclusion we have gotten to is pet nutrition is way more important to some people than it is to others. I want the best for my dogs but some people dont think it's that important.
msvette2u wrote:LindsaySF wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:Well *gasp* neither are OURS!!!!! Moot point indeed.
But here's the difference, WE never said your animals were suffering.
We pointed out risks associated with raw diets, provided links to them, etc. At no point did we say you guys were killing your dogs and they would be better off if you didn't have them.
See the difference?
~Lindsay~
What she said ^^^
SisMorphine wrote:We never said your animals were suffering either. Just that we didn't understand your justification for not feeding high quality kibble.
cheekymunkee wrote:Nope, sorry. I refuse to have more animals than I can afford to feed a healthy diet to. If it means I can only have one dog in order to feed it the best food possible, then I only have one dog.
cheekymunkee wrote:Like I already said, if I cannot afford to feed my dogs a good diet I do not need to have them. Feeding crap just so I can have more animas is not acceptable to me. Same thing with kids, if I cannot afford them I refuse to have them, that is why I only have 1. Well, that isn't the ONLT reason but it is one of the major ones.
cheekymunkee wrote:That's what I am saying. What if your dogs get sick? if you can't feed them decent food how can you take them to the vet?
SisMorphine wrote:I guess when I do things I make sure they are done right. I don't believe in pulling a dog from a shelter and having it eat crap and just sit around while being fostered. I believe in feeding that dog the highest quality kibble and making sure that dog has a buttload of training and socialization because that is the real responsibility of a foster home . . . not just to be a space away from a shelter.
LindsaySF wrote:SisMorphine wrote:We never said your animals were suffering either. Just that we didn't understand your justification for not feeding high quality kibble.
I don't have the money isn't a good enough justification?
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