cheekymunkee wrote:Dated digital photos are proof of nothing. Any one can change the date on the camera. Any one can hold up an old newspaper & claim the date is accurate.
If (there's that qualifier again) what Noel has said is accurate, the collar had already been sold, so the person who bought it could personally vouch for the date it was delivered and provide a deposition.
In this very thread by more than one person she has been accused of hacking and theft.
"Hacking" is not a crime. Theft is, but it has been nebulously applied here. I haven't heard anyone say that anyone should be going to jail. So claiming that anyone is leveling actual criminal charges against anyone is silly.
That is not a fair statement. She has said numerous times she is standing up for her friend but wants to know the truth no matter who is telling it. One could also say the same thing of you Demo, you say you are impartial but it is blatenly obvious you are not and were not even before you saw the pictures. I just dont think it is fair to accuse someone of something if you are doing the same thing.
If you want to know what my initial "in person" reaction was, as well as my evolving viewpoint as things started to unfold a little, ask Michelle. She was sitting next to me when I learned of the potential issue and saw/heard my reaction. I have been, and still am, open to the possibility that Rebecca might be in the right, and have brought up specific things to her in conversation that could actually explain Rebecca's collar and exonerate her of any wrong doing. Though at this point I am leaning
toward's Noel's side of the story based on the pictures I've seen and a little background info. Leaning
, and that's it.
My issue is more with the reflexive and shifting nature of the defense, which seems more about sticking up for a friend than considering that said friend might be in the wrong, as well as setting a pretty ridiculous bar for making a determination of whom to believe. Saying "If there's actual evidence it will come out in court" is really just a way to cop out and let your friend off the hook. We all know this isn't going to court. Lawyers will do their lawyer thing and send nasty-grams back and forth behind the scenes. Even if it does go to court, we are still going to have to make a decision for ourselves based on the totality of the situation.
You say you have seen proof.
I don't think I did. I have seen the pictures and said that they *appear* to corroborate Noel's side of the story. I'm open to the possibility that they might not be an accurate portrayal of what's going on. But I'm still leaning
, in part because of the photos.
You, Michelle & Noel are the ONLY ones who have actually seen this proof ( unless I am missing someone), no where else in this thread is there one bit of proof that Rebecca stole her pictures and research. A screen shot of an IP is not proof. A screen shot of a post on Facebook is not proof ( she didnt make the tag remember? She only purchased it). Screen shots can be manipulated. NOT accusing anyone of doing that, but it can be done. The proof that Rebecca stole anything is in Rebecca's computer & no one here has had access to that computer have they?
You said yourself that the pictures are not proof of anything and I agree. I have seen pictures, and if they are accurate
then they jibe with Noel's version of the story.
I too would like to see the proof no matter who is telling it. I dont know either of these ladies personally nor do I interact with either of them much online, and I have nothing to lose either way, I am just interested in knowing the outcome.
If I were in Noel's position, those IP logs would be my trump card and I would play them close to my chest. The last thing I would do is make them public.
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