furever_pit wrote:I do agree that you can teach some dogs to cope with some sensitivities. However, whether or not you see things resurface will depend on the pressure you put on the dog.
airwalk wrote:Two dogs, same basic ages when gotten, same basic condition on arrival, same basic raising, very similar exposures...tempermentally two entirely different dogs.
I think that is what Allison is alluding to.
airwalk wrote:Well I'm not choosing sides here, because frankly I don't think there are sides to choose and this is an excellent discussion for folks thinking about getting drivey dogs...but...
I haven't seen anyone yet say don't socialize the dog/puppy. No one has said that's a bad idea. What I saw was one persons preference when choosing a dog for a specific purpose. I think the information here on why socialization is a good thing...is a good thiing.
While I don't think what you are doing can hurt, this kind of stuff is not something I am into for pups. But I recognize that I come from a totally different viewpoint than rescue.
Best of luck with the litter. I hope that all this socialization and exposure gets you what you are looking for.
airwalk wrote:I guess I read it differently. I don't read that as saying it's a bad idea...it's just not the way she works with or chooses pups. That's kind of why I think this is getting too personal.
True temperament flaws can't be undone...simply coping skills taught.
airwalk wrote:Christine, you're right you ended up teaching Mick some amazing coping skills and were able to get him to a place where he could be treated; however, you must admit that was with conditions. The primary one being that you were right there with him.
While you can help train and teach coping skills and desensitize, it is frankly way easier to train if you begin with the best raw dog you can find.
Regarding working dogs: I see a lot of people who wash out dogs with "environmental issues" because they either have no idea how to train or don't want to be bothered with it. Most people these days are just into drive manipulation and don't want to problem solve, hence the second the dog shows any issues it gets washed out. Dog sport competitors go through prospects like crap through a goose. The new dog is the greatest, awesome genetics, naturally full, hard grips, environmentally sound, etc. Then six months down the road the dog is sold or retired because of a "genetic" issue...but the NEW dog is the greatest, awesome genetics, etc. Silly, really, because I've seen dogs with all kinds of "issues" who show no interest in bitework at all explode at 18 months into solid workhorses.
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