TinaMartin wrote:Both of mine are crated and there are 2 closed doors front and back that they would have to get through. Sorsha would run around trying to kiss everyone wagging her tail constantly. Gator would not be a pretty sight for people or other animals.
plebayo wrote:TinaMartin wrote:Both of mine are crated and there are 2 closed doors front and back that they would have to get through. Sorsha would run around trying to kiss everyone wagging her tail constantly. Gator would not be a pretty sight for people or other animals.
So are you saying that Gator would attack a person if he was loose? What is it like having that kind of liability, especially since you're also representing bully breeds in general if he were to get out and bite someone? Why do you think he would run up and bite someone?
pitbullmamaliz wrote:And Gator's an American Bulldog, right? Aren't they bred for guardianship?
pitbullmamaliz wrote:Oh I know he's a bit over the top ( ) but I didn't think it was fair to compare him to what an APBT temperament is. Bred for totally different things.
pitbullmamaliz wrote:And Gator's an American Bulldog, right? Aren't they bred for guardianship?
Malli wrote:But, have I not read that they were used as Plantation guardians?
furever_pit wrote:pitbullmamaliz wrote:And Gator's an American Bulldog, right? Aren't they bred for guardianship?
This is actually a controversial point within the breed.
Historically, the AB has been primarily a hunting dog and combat dog (used for bull and bear baiting and some have been rolled in the pit). It was not long ago that it was the standard ABs who were working in the woods that were considered the cream of the crop. The tendency toward sport and protection work is rather recent. There is a group of AB enthusiasts who believe that protection work is distorting the breed and is not an accurate breed test.
As a side note, the APBT and the AB are not as distinct from one another as you may think.
plebayo wrote:So are you saying that Gator would attack a person if he was loose? What is it like having that kind of liability, especially since you're also representing bully breeds in general if he were to get out and bite someone? Why do you think he would run up and bite someone?
furever_pit wrote:I would be interested in knowing what books you read that in. It's not a story that I have encountered anywhere - book or the men involved in creating and standardizing the breed.
TinaMartin wrote:furever_pit wrote:I would be interested in knowing what books you read that in. It's not a story that I have encountered anywhere - book or the men involved in creating and standardizing the breed.
This is just 2 seconds of google. It obviously just scratches the surface.
http://www.bulldoginformation.com/ameri ... story.html
"De patroller wus mi'ty hard on de run a way slaves. Dey wud run my pappy wid dem dogs like dey run rabbits an' some time dey wud ketch my pappy; some times pappy wud out run dem but he dasent go home, cause dey wud come dar to hunt him. She made me stay in de house an' I slept right on de floor in de corner uf her room an' she had a big bull dog dat stayed in dar wid us an' no body better not come bout us to hurt us." From the WPA Slave Narratives: Lewis Jefferson Here, the mention of dogs running down slaves makes no mention of the type of dog used. But he does specify that a bulldog slept in the room with them for protection; thus "no body better not come bout us to hurt us." The bulldog was used for protection and not the running down of slaves in this reference.
"Marse Cleveland had a very bad male hog, (domesticated), and had to keep him in a pen about 10 feet high. Sometimes he would break out of the pen and it would take all the bulldogs in the county to get him back." "My daddy used to hunt rabbits and possums. I went with him and would ride on his back with my feet in his pockets. He had a bulldog named Brutus which was a watch dog. My daddy would lay his hat down anywhere in the woods and Brutus would stay by the hat until he would come back." Ex-Slave Stories - Interview with George Henderson: Here we can see a firsthand account that the bulldog was being used as a stock-dog for domestic animals and a watchdog and not used for the hunt, as "Brutus would stay by the hat until he would come back."
"One former slave asserted that a man from his plantation lived fifteen years in hiding. Such a person might arm himself with a scythe and bulldog for protection." Slavery Remembered Paul D. Escott Why not a hound for protection? Because the bulldog was a guard dog and the hound a hunter
These three statements quoted from slaves are readily available on the WEBPS site. There are also interview accounts in print from Johnson himself talking about conversations he had with owners when he and Scott were looking for dogs.
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