furever_pit wrote:How do you feel about the use of hybrids for outcrosses rather than the creation of a whole new breed?
furever_pit wrote:Aren't the poo breeders breeding poo crosses to other poo crosses?
I know of a few lines of AB that had Pit infused into them a few generations back. But once a dog is 7/8 AB (that's three generations, only two generations out from the outcross) it is considered "purebred". Other than the color of the dog being a disqualification in the show ring, I have not heard of or seen any real ill effects from the outcross.
If the two dogs being bred, even though from different breeds, have been tested for health and temperament issues I'm not sure you would get anything negative from the breeding. Now just blindly sticking my male X with your female Y with no understanding of the dogs that came before them, their health, or their working ability...well that's a gamble no matter what the breed.
Since it almost goes hand in hand, how do you feel about line or inbreeding? Sorry if I take this discussion way off track. I am just fascinated by breeding and the science behind it. I'm a dork that way.
On the other hand, I know there are some programs using Lab/Golden or Poodle mixes to create service dogs. I don't have a problem with this because they are breeding the dogs for a purpose and from what I have read it is working out well for them.
Instead, a better solution in my opinion is to find the lines that are still stockier and have some mass to them. They are out there. Unless it's a rare breed - a truly rare breed - most of what people want is still out there somewhere.
mnp13 wrote:Considered pure bred by who? What registry? Not AKC or UKC as far as I know.
mnp13 wrote:done correctly, and with solid research, not a big deal. however, without solid research on the lines you are doubling up on genes that could turn out a lot of bad stuff. Inbreeding creates extremes, so anyone doing that had better be culling.
I'm slightly more torn on the breeding for sport. I don't like it at all, but I can't rationalize an argument as to why, which I know is silly. But I think breeding for sport is going to create a lot of crazy dogs that would be hell in a non-sport home.
And I know people argue that dogs being bred for sport ALL go to sport homes, but I have trouble believing that.
mnp13 wrote:They are hell in sport homes. "Malinois spin" is an actual term - for dogs that are so amped all the time that they whirl in circles in their crates.
It's apparently a common belief among dog breeders that you can somehow improve the breed by removing diversity. This doesn't make sense. If you fart in a sealed room, you can't make the smell go away by farting more. You open a window for new air.
plebayo wrote:On the other hand, I know there are some programs using Lab/Golden or Poodle mixes to create service dogs. I don't have a problem with this because they are breeding the dogs for a purpose and from what I have read it is working out well for them. I don't really see a point. Labradors, German Shepherds, etc have been service dogs for years. Why is there a need for a new cross?
The original purpose of the labradoodle was to combine the non-shedding poodle coat with the lab temperament. http://doodlerescuecollectiveinc.org/group/isadoodleforyou/forum/topics/history-of-the-labradoodleThe Labradoodle was first deliberately bred in Australia in 1989, when Wally Conron of Royal Guide Dogs Association of Melbourne received a letter from a woman in Hawaii who needed a non-shedding service dog due to her husbands severe allergies to pet dander.
Mr Conron had the brilliant idea of combining the Labrador Retriever with the Standard Poodle. His goal was to combine the low-shedding coat of the Poodle with the gentleness and trainability of the Labrador ultimately providing a Guide/Service Dog suitable for people with allergies to fur and dander.
plebayo wrote:Thanks for sharing the info Fenella ,
Again though, why create an entire new breed? Why not just use a poodle as your service dog? In the clinic I work at we have two Standard poodles from the same family that are weird/aloof/unfriendly/bad to handle, but the majority of standards and even minis and toys that come in have great personalities. Even when you cross the two you don't guarantee that the dog is going to have a poodle coat and a lab personality. Poodles are very intelligent and pretty personable. If it has to do with grooming many labradoodles have to be groomed because the hair coat is more poodle-like.
If you want bigger dogs, breed bigger poodles. WTF would you create this idiotic shaggy beast that doesn't work out most times and requires as much, if not more, grooming. I've not heard of many SD groups going with doodles...and the ones that have don't have a TON of success with them...they're hit or miss just like the other breeds. Labs and goldens and poodles if needed are still the best choices for SDs for organizations, imho.
I hate the idea of designer dogs regardless of WHY. We see TONS of them in flyball...border-jacks (border collie/jack russell terrier),
plebayo wrote:I hate the idea of designer dogs regardless of WHY. We see TONS of them in flyball...border-jacks (border collie/jack russell terrier),
Why on earth would you cross a border collie and a jack russel?! That's just asking for trouble LOL.
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