airwalk wrote:Given the uproar are any of us really surprised the dogs are no longer listed? Give the tone of the conversation, which by now I must believe they are fully aware of, is anyone surprised they are closing the door tightly?
Sometimes one must give to others in order to get what one needs.
airwalk wrote:It only seems shady on this side of the conversation. I'm sure from their side it appears that they are under heavy attack from a lot of fronts that are willing to become very nasty. If they are shady, then no surprise they are hiding..if they are not shady (maybe just new or in uncharted waters) they are circling the wagons to protect from, what must appear to them, to be a bunch of rabid idiots.
airwalk wrote:I also already had this conversation with Christine. As distasteful as it is, what that rescue did is not unusual. Read the posts on FB every day of the week. OMG he's going to die tomorrow...OMG it's a heartstick shelter..OMG it's a hellhole save this baby. It is done all over the nation by thousands of rescues and shelters. I don't like it, I don't do it, but there is nothing unusual about that tactic.
airwalk wrote:I don't disagree. But what exactly has been accomplished with this form of attack...let's see...the rescue has blocked, shut down and otherwise is completely hiding any information and not responding to any inquiries; therefore, everything from that point on is purely conjecture.
Wouldn't it have served better purposes to approach more slowly and cautiously and ask polite questions and make inquiries that could and perhaps would have been responded to? Wouldn't it have been better to be in a position of having a conversation and gathering factual information instead of relying on conjecture.
Wouldn't it have been better to have been in a position (like any good investigator would have) to know where the dogs are and perhaps be able to assist?
Apparently many folks didn't think so. They thought it would be better to gather their swords and beat their chests about the horrible ethics and to make accusations very publicly and to ensure that if the rescue does have something to hide...they really hide it now.
I'm sure any of our Officers would have handled it exactly the same way, because after all it has given everyone results....right?
TheRedQueen wrote:Okay, well if you're not siding with them, you seem to be against many of us that are angry about what they've done. Angie and I have a personal issue...but I've kept it from this forum for the most part...so I'm honestly surprised that she suddenly lumped me into this mess. The whole thing just went real crazy, real fast.
TheRedQueen wrote:As for the petfinder posting...trust me...I run in rescue circles too...I know what rescues can and will do to get dogs adopted. And yes, I've developed a thicker skin...and I get tired of all of the sad, sob stories that I see on FB and elsewhere nowadays...URGENT, LAST MINUTE!, NEEDS SAVING!/quote]
Then you know as well as I do that this crap goes on all over, all the time. It is distasteful. I don't do it...but I'm damn sure not going to single out one rescue for doing something that is so common practice that no one blinks anymore over the drama and lies that are told.TheRedQueen wrote:OTOH, I am really questioning the adopting out an intact dog, then apparently wanting to have her euthanized. Everyone knows that I'm no stranger to wanting to euth rescue dogs...so I'm not *upset*, just curious. My vet has helped me put at least one dog down...and took my word for it, so I wonder about this story.
Now there is a very legitimate question and one people should have been focused on, but I can assure you going into attack mode did nothing for gathering information or gaining facts or being in a position to effect change. It caused a complete and total shut down. I completely wonder about this story...much of it makes no sense and sets of my bullshit meter....but since all avenues of conversation have been screwed, there is no way for me to try to get factual information.
I repeat, any of the Officers that work for our County would look at the attacking folks here and wonder what the hell they hoped to accomplish....you get more flies with honey than vinegar...and the same goes for information.From what I understood, Christine asked via email about the listing...and they immediately unfriended/blockked her from the FB page, and listed Bee as "adopted". WTF?
mnp13 wrote:airwalk wrote:I also already had this conversation with Christine. As distasteful as it is, what that rescue did is not unusual. Read the posts on FB every day of the week. OMG he's going to die tomorrow...OMG it's a heartstick shelter..OMG it's a hellhole save this baby. It is done all over the nation by thousands of rescues and shelters. I don't like it, I don't do it, but there is nothing unusual about that tactic.
I agree, what the rescue did with Bee is not unusual. Annoying as all hell, but very common place.
However, what they did with Dozia?? No. That is NOT how any ethical rescue works. Adopting out an intact dog, getting said dog back, then trying to get it killed because it's in heat and is difficult to deal with? No. Not ok in any version of the story. And that information has been verified.
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