furever_pit wrote:Even in sport and with high drive dogs, clicker/marker training is no longer an anomaly. A lot of people use it now. But most still use corrections too.
furever_pit wrote:I have also always heard it referred to as clicker or marker training. Doubt it makes a difference one way or the other as anyone familiar with the method will know what you are talking about.
I won't tell anyone they "need corrections" for anything. If it's not something they want to use, then that is their choice. However, I and many others choose to do otherwise.
furever_pit wrote:Erin, I got your point. I was simply stating (as someone who participates in protection sports) that I would never personally force the use of corrections on anyone. People can do whatever they want with their dog, no skin off of my nose. If someone doesn't want to use corrections, no one can make them...they always have the option of leaving that club/trainer/group and finding one that is more in line with their own training methodologies.
I am one of those that don't believe that the same level of success and performance can be achieved without the use of corrections. When someone who "truly clicker trains" is able to compete at a national or international level then I may reconsider.
furever_pit wrote:And I'm just clarifying that while there are trainers finding success with pure clicker training, the best protection sport trainers and competitors in the world still use corrections.
If purely positive methods were really all that much better suited for the protection sports don't you think someone using such methods would be standing on the national or international podium by now?
pitbullmamaliz wrote:I really like that video - they showed more of the protection than most other clicker trainers do. I especially like that they showed outs - very clean and crisp outs after very enthusiastic bites. I'd love to see more of their stuff!
furever_pit wrote:For a lot of people involved in protection sports it is largely about proving a dog's worth, proving a bloodline, testing what you have at the end of your leash and if or how it can be used to produce even better working dogs. It's not just about going through the motions and completing a desired behavior, it is about power, presence, attitude, and the ability to keep coming through stress, pressure, and threats from the decoy. Using corrections from both the handler and the decoy will tell you a lot about your dog, that's part of the value of them.
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