I certainly use as much positive training as possible, but I still feel dogs need some correction, as that is how their mother teaches them.
I do not "teach" clicker training, as I do not use the method myself, but many people have used clickers in my classes and I am fine with that. As long as it isn't something that is distracting to the rest of the class and people are still doing the same exercises, I am fine with variations of the training.
maberi wrote:If you are interested, I can put some feelers out for some good trainers in your area. What was said above is only my opinion and knowing the training world you will get a lot of other opinions as well
HappyChick wrote:Danette,
What type of training do you teach? Is it adversive or positive training? Do you do clicker training at all?
Thanks,
Angie
I've gotta be honest, you started off with a loaded question, and may have gotten a loaded answer.
I don't know anything about the trainer, and I am not defending her or her methods or her response, but I personally would not have responded very nicely to your question - as it was plainly loaded to begin with.
Is there still room available in this class? Also, what methods do you prescribe to?
As for what methods I prescribe to - I don't have any that I follow, I just do what
works best for the dog and the owner and I try to keep my priorities in that order.
mnp13 wrote:I was only speaking from my personal experience, remember...
However, my experience as a trainer who uses everything from clickers to prong collars to e-collars is this: there are trainers who are total "clicker nazis" and if you use ANYTHING other than kisses and hugs then you are a horrible abusive Neanderthal. Yeah, I know it sounds dramatic but I'm serious.
When you ask if a class is "positive" OR "aversive" in my mind it's loaded. That doesn't mean that in her mind it was.
I got this email a few weeks ago about my Brats class:Is there still room available in this class? Also, what methods do you prescribe to?
Here is my response:As for what methods I prescribe to - I don't have any that I follow, I just do what
works best for the dog and the owner and I try to keep my priorities in that order.
HappyChick wrote:Okay, I got it, Michelle. Thank you! I do appreciate yours' and everyone's help, and all the info. This is all part of my training and I am anxious to learn.
I did go ahead and send her an email apologizing because, I don't want to leave a bad impression with her regardless if I choose to take Reno to her training or not. She and I both work at the University and I don't need to make enemies there.
I am actually a person who believes in moderation in most things, I'm not an extremist as far I know and I will find my middle ground on this subject too. I LOVED the whole prong collar, leash training that I learned from Michelle and used with Vinny and Reno. It completely changed our walks, with Vinny especially, into something we both enjoyed instead of the horrible ordeal it was before the prong collar. For this I am grateful because Vinny and I enjoyed such wonderful, quality time that I will treasure forever.
This is what I want for me and my other dogs too. For them to enjoy their time with me. All aspects of it. Instead of me yelling and having to limit their exposure to the world because they don't listen to me, I want them to learn to listen and obey because it will be enjoyable for them as well as me. That may be a difficult concept for some to understand because I just mentioned a prong collar, but I understand it. Because the prong, with a small measure of negativity brought about a positive change, we were able to go on so many more walks than we would have done otherwise. I have to tell you Vinny loved walking with me. He got so excited when he saw me grab that collar and leash!!! He would just about beat anything near him to death with his tail!
I'm interested in clicker training, but I really don't understand it. As far as Danette and her obedience training goes, I suspect that she gets people who have even less of a clue than me and maybe that is why she wants a choke or prong collar involved.
I still want to know if Matt finds any other trainers in my area and what they have to offer.
Thanks Everybody!!
HappyChick wrote:Macomb, Illinois 61455
We are about 1 and 1/2 hours from the Quad Cities, 2 hours from Springfield, 4 hours from Chicago, an hour from Burlington, IA, and literally in the middle of corn country!
Thanks for your help!
What type of training do you teach? Is it adversive or positive training? Do you do clicker training at all?
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