pitbullmamaliz wrote:She feels that dogs are all born inherently knowing how to read and communicate with other dogs effectively.
pitbullmamaliz wrote:I have not read the Coppinger's book, but between you and Greta touting it over and over I shall have to add it to my "my checking account hates me" book list. Is it a tough read or is it written for average people?
Malli wrote:I also disagree.
I know my friend who handraises kittens for the spca says it matters in cats, and that they don't necessarily need their mom, but in those first few months not having siblings or surrogate siblings around really affects them, hand-raised kittens raised on their own are known for behavioral problems with people : biting, attacking, bad moods.
I firmly believe the same applies to dogs but because dogs are so much more social and evolved to live in groups, its a dog-dog thing.
plebayo wrote:I can't say I've ever seen a dog aggressive Pit Bull look totally relaxed and happy just lash out at another dog without showing ANY body language.
pitbullmamaliz wrote:plebayo wrote:I can't say I've ever seen a dog aggressive Pit Bull look totally relaxed and happy just lash out at another dog without showing ANY body language.
Allow me to introduce you to Riggs...
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Malli wrote:I also disagree.
I know my friend who handraises kittens for the spca says it matters in cats, and that they don't necessarily need their mom, but in those first few months not having siblings or surrogate siblings around really affects them, hand-raised kittens raised on their own are known for behavioral problems with people : biting, attacking, bad moods.
I firmly believe the same applies to dogs but because dogs are so much more social and evolved to live in groups, its a dog-dog thing.
Take Oscar as an example : I got him at approx 6.5 weeks (didn't know any better and didn't have much of a choice anyway). He is extremely good at reading people and interacting with us. He is TERRIBLE with other dogs - he seems to want to interact and if he meets the right animal he'll eventually learn how to do it, but its rare. He gets excited, jumps on the other dog (I think a combination of fear from getting over-corrected by other dogs in the past and just plain no understanding of "doggy etiquette"), IF the dog doesn't react strongly and obviously right away he ignores the little hints they give off, and most of the time, if/when they growl at him, he gets over-the-top defensive and basically goes to lay the dog out on its side OR get into a fight with the other dog (depending on their reaction).
There are few dogs where he seems to sort of get it and they can growl and tell him what they don't like and he'll sort of listen, but most of the time, he'll try whatever it was again, too
pitbullmamaliz wrote:plebayo wrote:I can't say I've ever seen a dog aggressive Pit Bull look totally relaxed and happy just lash out at another dog without showing ANY body language.
Allow me to introduce you to Riggs...
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plebayo wrote: I really don't think Inara was totally clueless to it either because she got very tense when they first came into contact.
I mean we all read things differently, you know your dog but I still say there is no such thing as there not being any kind of a sign at all. It might not be something any one person could pick up on... but it's certainly there.
TheRedQueen wrote:I say that if we introduced Score to Riggs, that Score wouldn't go anywhere NEAR Riggs...I guarantee you that Score could/would read that body language.
mnp13 wrote:TheRedQueen wrote:I say that if we introduced Score to Riggs, that Score wouldn't go anywhere NEAR Riggs...I guarantee you that Score could/would read that body language.
We can try that next time, and get video. Then again, if we get some treats out, maybe Score will give Riggs the "what for" like he did Ruby. I can just imagine...
pitbullmamaliz wrote:Anyway, at the end of the presentation she was taking questions, and somebody asked her if separating dogs from their moms too early caused problems. She said a very emphatic no. She feels that dogs are all born inherently knowing how to read and communicate with other dogs effectively.
I then asked her if she felt any breeds or types of dogs were less inherently skilled at communication, and she immediately said the bully breeds are often very difficult to read because they've been bred to NOT show language to other dogs.
I know we've discussed the bully breed part before, but what do you think about her saying removal from moms too soon doesn't affect anything? I would have to disagree, but she has a lot more education than I do.
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