maberi wrote:To me the most interesting genetic question of all is what would
happen if we bred these dogs for low dog aggression, low gameness
and high human friendliness and tolerance. How different would they
look in ten generations? How well would the human tolerance and
friendliness hold up if gameness were totally, ruthlessly culled? How
linked are these traits?
It's an experiment I wish someone would try.
I do think it is absolutely critical to understand that "the thing
that goes wrong with pit bulls" is different from "normal" dog
aggression, that it is real, and that it is not simply created in
individual blank slate dogs by bad owners.
mnp13 wrote:I do think it is absolutely critical to understand that "the thing
that goes wrong with pit bulls" is different from "normal" dog
aggression, that it is real, and that it is not simply created in
individual blank slate dogs by bad owners.
Give me a break. What is the difference between Pit Bull dog aggression and "normal" dog aggression? It's either dog aggression or it isn't.
maberi wrote:A clicker solutions yahoo board
Probably not one you would find yourself on
maberi wrote:Ha, I'm sure they have the same informative information about pit bull aggression on there as well
The people here who have PB-type dogs are clearly concerned that at some point their dogs might be put down under some kind of BSL. So I wonder where the concern is for the people who have carried their Goofy family dog home dead from the walk? And for all the Goofys? I wonder whether PB-fans understand that other people love their dogs too. I'd like to know why they feel justified in using other people's dogs as experimental material re whether their fighting/baiting breed will attack this time or wait til some other time -- or maybe never, but you don't know that until it dies, and meanwhile you are experimenting with other people's dogs and other dogs' lives. Why do you think this is okay?
mnp13 wrote:I just got approved to post....
TheRedQueen wrote:The original post that you posted, Matt, has some interesting thoughts...if you can stop focusing on the "breeding" portion of it. There is something to the idea that these dogs have been bred to stop reading social signals...and there are some very good points in the discussion. Doesn't seem right to post only a fraction of the postings...
TheRedQueen wrote:There have been some really good points made in this discussion...and it's sounding like everyone is anti-pit bull on that list now. That's all I'm saying. It was a tad inflammatory imho...since everyone here is getting pissed off because a portion of the discussion.
And seriously...you guys don't think that pit bulls have different aggressive tendencies bred into them? Really? They're bred to fight each other to the death...similar to other breeds/types of dogs that are bred to fight prey animals, but different. Going back to the video of Riggs that always gets brought up...he shows very few signals that he's ready/willing/able to fight...that's not something you see as much in other breeds. That's just how they are, nothing WRONG with that, but what's wrong about discussing that particular trait?
TheRedQueen wrote:And seriously...you guys don't think that pit bulls have different aggressive tendencies bred into them? Really? They're bred to fight each other to the death...similar to other breeds/types of dogs that are bred to fight prey animals, but different. Going back to the video of Riggs that always gets brought up...he shows very few signals that he's ready/willing/able to fight...that's not something you see as much in other breeds. That's just how they are, nothing WRONG with that, but what's wrong about discussing that particular trait?
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