mnp13 wrote:Who's your pregnant female?
Dilly.
SisMorphine wrote:Ooooh I didn't know we had even MORE puppies on the board!! Jeez, I thought that spring was when animals were supposed to get all horny, not winter
So tell us a story! Dad? What are you breeding for? Do you know how many are in there yet? I can't wait for puppy pics!
TheRedQueen wrote:One of our Service dog pups is from an accidental breeding (which is why we got her donated...). It happens. Were you planning on breeding them sometime, and this just happened early?
Good luck with the pups!
TheRedQueen wrote:One of our Service dog pups is from an accidental breeding (which is why we got her donated...). It happens. Were you planning on breeding them sometime, and this just happened early?
Good luck with the pups!
katiek0417 wrote:Ahhhh...so an accidental breeding? No worries - I'm not being judgmental - it looks like I might be in the same boat.
It looks like you could very well have a nice litter on your hands, however! And that's a good thing!
katiek0417 wrote:TheRedQueen wrote:One of our Service dog pups is from an accidental breeding (which is why we got her donated...). It happens. Were you planning on breeding them sometime, and this just happened early?
Good luck with the pups!
Too bad you don't take herders (heck, you know I'd donate from every litter).
katiek0417 wrote:
Too bad you don't take herders (heck, you know I'd donate from every litter).
Accidents do definitely happen....poor Dilly - maybe she was raped (it happens)!
Karen wrote:katiek0417 wrote:Ahhhh...so an accidental breeding? No worries - I'm not being judgmental - it looks like I might be in the same boat.
It looks like you could very well have a nice litter on your hands, however! And that's a good thing!
Thanks. they both have their strengths and Rowdy's excellent where Dilly needs to be improved on, so we'll see. Both dogs are small Dilly was 38 pounds and Rowdy 36 so I expect the pups to be small too. Rowdy's dam Layla is only 40 pounds or so and a tad taller than Dilly so the genetics towards smaller hopefully will work out! Roughly 22 days left so we'll see.
TheRedQueen wrote:
We are trying out collies again...so our "herding breed ban" is somewhat dropped. But I don't think our trainers can handle a malinois or dutchie!
Karen wrote:katiek0417 wrote:
Accidents do definitely happen....poor Dilly - maybe she was raped (it happens)!
Yeah and SHE raped HIM! Dilly is a real ho when she's in heat so I have no doubt she initiated the whole thing. She flags everything and is why she wears panties
pitbullmamaliz wrote:I'm not familiar with day blindness. I googled it but there wasn't a whole lot of understandable info. Basically they can't see during the day, only in dim light or at night? Is that right?
katiek0417 wrote:It looks like you could very well have a nice litter on your hands, however! And that's a good thing!
The ones from here will be crossed on a total out tri color Tatonka dog. Providing they are girls. They ought not to be crossed back into any Lar San or RoKi.
The alternative is to spay Dilly but she only needs 3 more legs on her GR CH with extremely limited showing.
mnp13 wrote:katiek0417 wrote:It looks like you could very well have a nice litter on your hands, however! And that's a good thing!
Maybe... but then again...
These dogs clearly have a serious genetic default in their lines, and there is no test for it. From looking at the pedigrees, it appears to be an X linked genetic fault. For the non-nerds, males have XY chromosomes, females have XX, so an X linked genetic problem (like color blindness in humans) is far more likely to show up in a man than in a woman because a woman has the second X to "cover up" a recessive trait. In a nutshell, the girls carry it, the boys have it.
I was very good with those genetic tables that we had to do in biology, so I can map it out completely if anyone is interested.
So, essentially, you're creating puppies that you know have a high probability of having or carrying the problem. I might not have said anything, but I also remember the serious beating I took from you (and a few others) over Riggs, his breeder, his lines, and everything else that you could think of. You would have crucified me if I had decided to plan to breed him, let alone if I had an "oops" and then kept it. (There is a female that I would breed him to in a heartbeat if the owner of the female asked me to. She has everything that Riggs doesn't, and her good traits match his as well. But since that's not gonna happen, my boy is going to remain celebate.)
It would appear that you are NOT planning to spay the girls? Don't cross them back into Lar San or RoKi because the odds of getting affected puppies would be very high. Instead, do an outcross so the recessive genes stay there but are buried because it's not a common problem and will probably stay "dormant" for a while. Let's HIDE it by outcrossing instead of STOPPING it by altering all of the dogs that have it or have a high probablilty of carrying it.
What does that have to do with anything? She has a conformation title already, and she is quite good in weight pull... and she would be able to continue weight pull after being spayed. You want more letters in front of your dog's name, so you're willing to create puppies knowing that the parents are carriers of a serious genetic fault
BritneyP wrote:If you are such a proponent of rescue, and always have been, why are you planning on breeding in the future just because you're going to have an accidental litter?
Karen wrote:Apparently NOT very good. It isn't sex linked AT ALL. In fact in Tesla's litter the dayblind pup was a female. You're looking at a list of confirmed CARRIERS not a list of AFFECTEDS. This isn't a recessive trait at all either. You are a carrier or you aren't. We've been keeping lists for years of who produced what and I think we know more than your assumption that this is as cut and dried as you're trying to make out
Karen wrote:What Riggs' line carries and what these pups MIGHT carry are totally different. You're looking at a dog dropping dead of SAS by 4 vs. a dog that has a sight issue in bright light. Again I know Chris and have for years so put him up on that pedestal all you want there are people who know different.
Karen wrote:Ruth can do what she likes with her female and yes IF we kept a girl Ozzie is what she would be crossed on. It isn't a hidden gene like you assume it is. The problem is this type of dayblindness isn't the same as the malamute one and there are in fact lines of am staff that carry it but they are still hidden.
There is a 57% chance Rowdy is and a 49% chance Dilly is neither is a definite.
As to adding more letters, that's a joke. I like going to shows and doing conformation with my dog. Winning has nothing to do with it, if it did we would have quit showing long ago.
ALL puppy homes know and have known up front all about this from before this even happened because it was the reason Rowdy is getting neutered.
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