Could it be that the gameness trait is a genetic fault?
If gameness were an adaptable trait, should it comprise several (measurable) qualities?
How can it be adaptable or beneficial to the species if the
trait can potentially cause the reduction of the species?
If gameness was the single most important trait used by breeders for many generations, shouldn't it be actually nearly impossible to breed out?
Mind_doc wrote:Could it be that the gameness trait is a genetic fault? If gameness
were an adaptable trait, should it comprise several (measurable)
qualities? How can it be adaptable or beneficial to the species if the
trait can potentially cause the reduction of the species? If gameness
was the single most important trait used by breeders for many
generations, shouldn't it be actually nearly impossible to breed out?
Am I way off here?
dogcrazyjen wrote:Seems to me "gameness" is pretty much an obsolete trait then. Certainly not something we want to see in any modern pitbull.
dogcrazyjen wrote:Seems to me "gameness" is pretty much an obsolete trait then. Certainly not something we want to see in any modern pitbull.
mnp13 wrote:The other difference is the 'staging area' of dog fights. Two animals battling in an enclosed area is not part of the real world. When you remove the possibility of 'flight' all that is left is 'fight'.
mnp13 wrote:Gameness is the willingness to continue even when the odds are 100% against you. Like someone else said, gameness can be a trait of a loosing dog.
Carla wrote:mnp13 wrote:The other difference is the 'staging area' of dog fights. Two animals battling in an enclosed area is not part of the real world. When you remove the possibility of 'flight' all that is left is 'fight'.
The possibility of flight is NOT removed in a pit contest.
mnp13 wrote:Carla wrote:mnp13 wrote:The other difference is the 'staging area' of dog fights. Two animals battling in an enclosed area is not part of the real world. When you remove the possibility of 'flight' all that is left is 'fight'.
The possibility of flight is NOT removed in a pit contest.
How do you figure?
Where can the other dog escape to?
the practice of bull baiting those dogs that "let go" did not live to breed, those that had the will and focus to continue perpetuated the breed.
mnp13 wrote:Mydawgs - I was writing in the context of the comparason to Wolves and the necessity/existance of 'gameness' in the wild.
I do not disagree with most of your post.the practice of bull baiting those dogs that "let go" did not live to breed, those that had the will and focus to continue perpetuated the breed.
I think gameness is a quality that means not giving up, no matter what the odds. Courage/stubborness to the point of folly.
Mind_doc wrote:Ok..I thought "true finisher" was a term for a "killer"
It almost seems like the "flight or flight" instinct is turned off in these game-dogs. No flight, only fight. You would think the dog who knew when to look for a way out would be a better evolutionary "fit." You can't pass on the genes if you die in a fight.
You defined gameness as the will to survive AND fight. What about the time when survival means not fighting?I think thats why there is more bravado in the animal kingdom when it comes to fighting. If a true game-dog is really "one in a million" like you said, maybe mother nature is thinking this is not a trait worth passing.
mydawgs wrote:Or in the case of bull baiting....survival..........
mnp13 wrote:mydawgs wrote:Or in the case of bull baiting....survival..........
I'm sure the dogs got badly injured bull baiting, and the 'champions' of the 'sport' (and I use that term loosly) kept on going after the bull even if they were thrown off. Survival yes, but tenacity through incredilbe odds as well.
mydawgs wrote:I may be wrong but from what I read, bull baiting actually had a functional purpose as well.....the meat from the bull was eatin after the dogs were set on them to make the meat more tender....just something I read
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