Michael Vick Documentary

Postby Hoyden » August 24th, 2008, 10:20 pm

This is on NOW
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Postby cheekymunkee » August 25th, 2008, 3:12 am

It is scheduled to air again on Wednesday if you missed it.

It was good. VERY graphic at times but sent a good message about the dogs and the breed. I know Donna from BadRap has said it contained too much dog fighting info but it is nothing you cant find with a simple search online. I did not like the amount of dog fight footage that was shown. I think you could have gotten the message across with out it all. But overall I give it a thumbs up! :highfive:
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Postby Tiger » August 25th, 2008, 8:37 am

I will have to watch this on Wednesday - I was dead asleep when this came on last night.

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Postby Mahlon » August 25th, 2008, 9:47 am

All roads lead to the HSUS when it comes to that "documentary" -- and of course the HSUS wanted the Vick dogs dead.

Take a look at the "resouces" Animal Planet's webpage lists for the show. They all go back to HSUS.

here's a copy:

http://people.howstuffworks.com/dogfighting7.htm


More Great Links
Dogfighting a booming business, experts say
Dogfighting: State Laws
Michael Vick case sheds light on dark world of dogfighting
Sources
“Animal Cruelty and Family Violence: Making the Connection.” The Humane Society of the United States. http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/first_st ... onnection_
between_animal_cruelty_and_human_violence/animal_cruelty_and_
family_violence_making_the_connection/
“Cockfighting Fact Sheet.” The Humane Society of the United States. http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_
the_final_round/cockfighting_fact_sheet/
“Cockfighting: State Laws.” The Humane Society of the Unite d States. http://files.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/cockfighting_
statelaws.pdf
“Dogfighting.” Last Chance for Animals. http://www.lcanimal.org/
cmpgn/cmpgn_007.htm
“Dogfighting a booming business, experts say.” CNN. July 19, 2007. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/18/dog.fi ... index.html
“Dogfighting Fact Sheet.” The Humane Society of the United States. http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_
the_final_round/dogfighting_fact_sheet/
“Dogfighting Kingpin Toppled in Louisiana Raid.” The Humane Society of the United States. http://www.hsus.org/pets/pets_
related_news_and_events/dog_fighting_kingpin_
toppled_in_louisiana_raid.html
“Dogfighting rules and terms.” The Virginian-Pilot. June 17, 2007. http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?
story=126832&ran=246466
“Dogfighting: State Laws.” The Humane Society of the United States. http://www.hsus.org/web-files/PDF/
dogfighting_statelaws.pdf
“Fighting Dog Breeds.” The Bulldog Information Library. http://www.bulldoginformation.com/fight ... reeds.html
“Pit Bull Cruelty.” The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty for Animals. http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer?
pagename=cruelty_pitbull
“Vick case latest stain on pit bull’s changing image.” Associated Press. CNN. July 25, 2007. http://www.cnn.com/
2007/LIVING/wayoflife/07/24/pitbull.culture.a p/index.
html?iref=mpstoryview
Bacon, Brittany. “Inside the Culture of Dogfighting.” ABC News. July 19, 2007. http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/
story?id=3390721&page=1
Bank, Julie and Zawitowski, Stephen. “Dog Fighting.” ASPCA Animal Watch. 1997. http://www.aspca.org/site/
PageServer?pagename=cruelty_dogfighting
Burke, Bill. “Once limited to the rural South, dogfighting sees a cultural shift.” The Virginian-Pilot. June 17, 2007. http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?
story=126838&ran=241086
Gibson, Hannah. “Dog Fighting Detailed Discussion.” Animal Legal and Historical Center. 2005. http://www.animallaw.
info/articles/ddusdogfighting.htm
Malanga, Steve. “The sick hipness of dog fighting.” June 17, 2007. Chicago Sun-Times. http://www.suntimes.
com/news/otherviews/431143,CST-CONT-dog17.article
Roberts, Ashley B. “Member of Orange County’s chained-dog study panel has ties to dog-fighting.” April 11, 2007. The Independent Weekly. http://www.indyweek.com/gyrobase/Conten ... id%3A73429
Simmons, Rebecca. “Dog Eat Dog: The Bloodthirsty Underworld of Dogfighting.” Nov. 1, 2006. http://www.hsus.org/pets/
issues_affecting_our_pets/dog_eat_dog_the_bloodthirsty_
underworld_of_dogfighting.html
Tuttle, Steven. “Inside the Grisly World of Dogfighting.” Newsweek. June 4, 2007. http://www.msnbc.msn.com
/id/19028969/site /newsweek/
Weir, Tom. “Vick case sheds light on dark world of dogfighting.” USA Today. The Arizona Republic. July 18, 2007. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/
0718dogfighting-ON.html


I am recommending that people go to http://www.BlueDogState.com

The Animal Planet show is designed to heighten dogfighting hysteria. Hysterical people who have been "educated" by TV entertainment and websites full of lies aren't what we need.

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Postby TheRedQueen » August 25th, 2008, 9:52 am

I'm waiting to hear back from my mom...who is not involved in the BSL fight so much...it was hard to distance myself and not sit there and say "boo...PETA..." and such.

It'll be interesting to see what the non pit-bull owning, BSL fighting dog people think of it...if it changed minds at all.
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Postby madremissy » August 25th, 2008, 10:46 am

I only saw the last 30 minutes of it. I didn't like the fighting footage either but I hope the over all message got to some people. That our dogs are good.
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Postby mnp13 » August 25th, 2008, 12:05 pm

The Animal Planet show is designed to heighten dogfighting hysteria. Hysterical people who have been "educated" by TV entertainment and websites full of lies aren't what we need.


Hysteria for any point is not good. I don't have the patience to go through all of those links and see what it is that you are objecting to, would you please elaborate on all of them?

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Postby MrsJoseph06 » August 25th, 2008, 12:38 pm

I just wanted to thank you for making this documentary it was really good! Even though I had to scoff at PETA what hippocrites! Anyways it was really good. Thank you so much! I have been telling everyone I know that they need to watch it!
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Postby Emi » August 25th, 2008, 12:43 pm

I watched this documentary last night.

It was really well done. I couldn't watch the fighting part so I was crocheting at the same time to.

Donna and Bad Rap did a great job about showing how Pit bulls really are. That one dog Lou really touched my heart.

Michael Vick has paid, but I still don't think he's paid enough ... I don't think he really knows what he did wrong. He was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear. He is a product of the his envoriment and the way they did things around where he was raised at.

The last statement that was made was touching, I can't remember off hand, but it went like this "that the dogs no matter how they are treated, they still show unconditional love" which is so so true ..
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Postby amazincc » August 25th, 2008, 12:50 pm

Emi wrote:

Michael Vick has paid, but I still don't think he's paid enough ... I don't think he really knows what he did wrong. He was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear. He is a product of the his envoriment and the way they did things around where he was raised at.


We're all products of our environment... that doesn't preclude us from knowing right and wrong. Or showing compassion. :wink:
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Postby Emi » August 25th, 2008, 2:07 pm

amazincc wrote:
Emi wrote:

Michael Vick has paid, but I still don't think he's paid enough ... I don't think he really knows what he did wrong. He was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear. He is a product of the his envoriment and the way they did things around where he was raised at.


We're all products of our environment... that doesn't preclude us from knowing right and wrong. Or showing compassion. :wink:

Very very true... just I ment he didn't seem to know he did wrong, was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear ... you know ?
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Postby amazincc » August 25th, 2008, 2:12 pm

Emi wrote:Very very true... just I ment he didn't seem to know he did wrong, was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear ... you know ?


Yep, I know... I think he does know, but doesn't regret what he did. He made some big bucks w/that "business".
And hired some good PR people afterwards who told him what to say and how to act. :bs:
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Postby Emi » August 25th, 2008, 4:21 pm

amazincc wrote:
Emi wrote:Very very true... just I ment he didn't seem to know he did wrong, was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear ... you know ?


Yep, I know... I think he does know, but doesn't regret what he did. He made some big bucks w/that "business".
And hired some good PR people afterwards who told him what to say and how to act. :bs:


Amen sister...

And the main point is dogs...the poor things.
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Postby Wyldmoonwoman » August 25th, 2008, 6:58 pm

I have mixed feelings on the documentary...I think it was well done, I echo the sentiment of too much dog fighting information, but I do have issue with the documentary as a whole...I went to the website to check the links...I have some strong feelings against the documentary because the HSUS is not a friend of pit bull owners.

I honestly have no idea if it has done a good thing or a bad thing for pit bull owners...I actually read on another forum that someone wanted to support bsl because of the horrific fighting scenes...and this came from a pit bull owner...how many other people are going to feel the same way...ban the dog fighters, turn in your neighbor because they have a yard full of dogs and must be a dog fighter...call the ASPCA on your neighbor with the spring pole. I can see the potential for this documentary to be used as propaganda against the responsible pit bull owner.
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Postby hey21jude » August 25th, 2008, 9:50 pm

I missed it dang it...I'll have to watch it on Wed. I'm not looking forward to the fighting shots... :sad2:
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Postby KimJay Pits » August 25th, 2008, 9:58 pm

I thought overall it was pretty good. I hated the fact that PETA was even on the program since they want our breed to become extinct. The dog fighting footage was difficult to watch and although they played alot of it I think people that are clueless on this issue needed to see it.

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Postby LMM » August 27th, 2008, 4:02 pm

I DVRd this and I plan on watching but I've been hesitant because I really don't want to see the dogfighting footage. I think the message can be put out there without so much of that :(
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Postby Marinepits » August 27th, 2008, 4:41 pm

LMM wrote:I DVRd this and I plan on watching but I've been hesitant because I really don't want to see the dogfighting footage.


Same here. I barely made it through Off the Chain without vomiting, so I'd rather not see any more of it.
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Postby cheekymunkee » August 27th, 2008, 4:58 pm

I have talked to a couple of people ( NON Pit bull owners) who won't watch it because they are not wanting to see the dog fighting clips. That is a shame because it ended with a good message & people are going to miss out on it.
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Postby LMM » August 27th, 2008, 5:03 pm

Marinepits wrote:
LMM wrote:I DVRd this and I plan on watching but I've been hesitant because I really don't want to see the dogfighting footage.


Same here. I barely made it through Off the Chain without vomiting, so I'd rather not see any more of it.


I adamantly refuse to even peek at that.
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