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Postby hey21jude » April 12th, 2008, 10:23 pm

So sorry to hear about this! I really hope he feels better soon! I think you made the right decision to bring him home. Poor guy all stressed out like that! I would have done the same thing. Sending lots of good and hungry thoughts Mick's way! :hug3:
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Postby cheekymunkee » April 12th, 2008, 10:28 pm

Poor guy. I am sorry he had such a crappy day but I am glad they got some fluids in him.
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Postby Magnolia618 » April 12th, 2008, 10:29 pm

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I'm so sorry. Positive thoughts heading your way from Vermont!
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Postby CinderDee » April 12th, 2008, 10:32 pm

I would have brought him home too, Christine. I'm so sorry that you guys are having such a hard time. As I told you in PM, I questioned myself about continuing Kato's chemo too. It's so tough to put them through this and much more so for Mick with his fear issues. I really hope the new meds and some time off make all the difference.

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Postby Magnolia618 » April 12th, 2008, 10:37 pm

I remember when Maggie had a severe reaction to tahini (ground sesame seeds). I had to bring her to the closest vet to me, and the Dr. wanted to keep her over night. I was like, "So basically she will be in a cage until you guys leave, and ALONE all night untl you get here in the morning, right?" The vet was like "Well, Yeah... but someone stops buy at night to check on everybody".

Yep, Thanks, but no thanks. I think I can handle watching my own dog, and being able to take her to the E-clinic if necessary. Not just having her sit alone all night and have who knows what happen.

Crazy money hungry people. :rolleyes2:
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Postby amazincc » April 12th, 2008, 10:55 pm

Magnolia618 wrote:
Crazy money hungry people. :rolleyes2:


Actually... this clinic was VERY reasonable, all things considered... they didn't charge me for a "full exam", for example... because they didn't do one. Usually I get charged for it, regardless, since it's not the staffs problem that Beast can't be examined in a reasonable fashion... :oops: :rolleyes2:

And when Mick has to spend the night - so do I, always. :D
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Postby SisMorphine » April 12th, 2008, 11:31 pm

Ugh poor kids (both of you) :(

When does Dr. Correa get back? Doesn't she realize that she is NOT allowed to go away on vacation?! I'm convinced that THAT is what makes Mick sick ;)
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Postby gayrghts » April 13th, 2008, 12:13 am

Christine... i'm sure he's lost some wt due to the pukeys and not eating BUT....

remember its a different office so a different scale....

so it could be plus or minus a couple of pounds....

IF those lab values were people's.... i'd not be concerned about the eos and the mono, and the neu at all.... its when they are high that there are issues...
the WBC are a bit low, but that's expected with the chemo....

WBC low 2.1
Mono low 0.09
NEU low 1.25
EOS low 0.05

Here's a link on dog cancer lab work explainations... in english :)
http://www.dogcancer.net/k9-labs.html (sorry there's an add on there for some diet suppliment... but it has nothing to do with me)

All the way to the bottom of this page... is more info on lab values
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Postby amazincc » April 13th, 2008, 12:20 am

Thanks, Heather. :)
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Postby pocketpit » April 13th, 2008, 1:45 am

It sounds like the hospital scared Mick straight. I'm happy to hear that he's keeping a little water and food down now though I'm not happy you had to go through all that. We're keeping our fingers crossed that he continues to improve.
And what Heather said about his bloodwork and his weight is right on the mark. Try not to let those little things stress you, you've been through enough already.
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Postby Malli » April 13th, 2008, 4:37 am

Magnolia618 wrote:I remember when Maggie had a severe reaction to tahini (ground sesame seeds). I had to bring her to the closest vet to me, and the Dr. wanted to keep her over night. I was like, "So basically she will be in a cage until you guys leave, and ALONE all night untl you get here in the morning, right?" The vet was like "Well, Yeah... but someone stops buy at night to check on everybody".

Yep, Thanks, but no thanks. I think I can handle watching my own dog, and being able to take her to the E-clinic if necessary. Not just having her sit alone all night and have who knows what happen.

Crazy money hungry people. :rolleyes2:


FYI, not all ER vets leave the animals alone :wink:
In terms of rehydration, it is ideal for the animal to be on continuous IV fluids (not that I disagree with Christines decision - it sounds like Mick was a wreck)

Christine, first, I'm so sorry you guys are having a bad run with this stuff! I think the next best thing would be Subcutaneous fluids :| Do you think you can learn how to give them? Maybe you could work something out where you give him say 150 mls every 2 hrs for 3 treatments the next time he even vomits once? That way at least even if he doesn't eat he won't get dehydrated and make the nausea and GI issues worse... I don't know, obviously this all need to be run by a Vet; I'm not sure how sensitive he is but even if the needle hurts it has to be better if you do it and not someone else that stresses him to the max. I know SQ injections barely even phase Oscar at all, it seems like he hardly even notices them - though I've never done SQ fluids.
I think I mentioned this before, but maybe they could show you how to give the fluids on Daisy or maybe a staff member at the practice would volunteer one of their dogs :| That way you could learn without the stress of dealing with Mick....
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Postby amazincc » April 13th, 2008, 4:49 am

Malli wrote:Christine, first, I'm so sorry you guys are having a bad run with this stuff! I think the next best thing would be Subcutaneous fluids :| Do you think you can learn how to give them? Maybe you could work something out where you give him say 150 mls every 2 hrs for 3 treatments the next time he even vomits once? That way at least even if he doesn't eat he won't get dehydrated and make the nausea and GI issues worse... I don't know, obviously this all need to be run by a Vet; I'm not sure how sensitive he is but even if the needle hurts it has to be better if you do it and not someone else that stresses him to the max. I know SQ injections barely even phase Oscar at all, it seems like he hardly even notices them - though I've never done SQ fluids.
I think I mentioned this before, but maybe they could show you how to give the fluids on Daisy or maybe a staff member at the practice would volunteer one of their dogs :| That way you could learn without the stress of dealing with Mick....


Thanks, Malli... I am definitely open to the idea and will discuss it w/Dr. Correa on Monday at Mick's follow-up appointment. I'm pretty sure he won't object too much - he's very good when it comes to me "doctoring" him. :)
If we can't get a dog to volunteer, I'll try it on myself, I think... if that's possible.
It would make life - and chemo - so much easier on both of us, not to mention that it will be cheaper AND less stressful.
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Postby Malli » April 13th, 2008, 5:04 am

your skin doesn't work like a dogs :neutral: I'm told It would hurt like the dickens if you tried to put fluids anywhere but in your veins! (never had IV fluids myself)
Is Daisy not a good "candidate"?

I'm not sure how it works everywhere else, but at my work the techs and vet assistants/nurses often volunteer their pets for "guinea pigging" : trying out an xray with a new tecnique, using them as blood donors, trying new blood tests, meds(if applicable, of course) etc; maybe if you asked nicely and volunteered to bring the favorite food of wichever staff member would use their pet? :| I'm pretty sure it'd work at my work, anyway :lol3: we're all food motivated !

In order for the "distribution" of the fluids to be steady enough I think you'd have to do a fair amount of poking (like I mentioned, maybe every 2 hrs or something...), but it has to be better then the current alternative.

How is he doing with the small portions of food and water?
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Postby amazincc » April 13th, 2008, 5:16 am

Oh... who knew??? :oops:
Yes, Daisy might be a good candidate to try this out on... she is tennis ball motivated and works for cheap... lol

He is keeping everything down so far... I've been giving him very tiny portions of food and small amounts of water every hour or so - he tolerates me and my nagging/prodding w/an amazing amount of patience. :wink:
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Postby Patch O' Pits » April 13th, 2008, 8:36 am

I'm glad he is bouncing back! I got nervous reading the other posts!
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » April 13th, 2008, 10:01 am

I'm glad he's finally keeping some food/water down. Have YOU gotten any sleep???
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Postby hugapitbull » April 13th, 2008, 11:20 am

I understand Mick is a special case and has lots going on medically which demands you are extremely careful with what he eats, but as an alternative to the bland you are feeding you might ask about feeding baby food.

When Trouble was so sick she couldn't swallow and hadn't eaten for a couple of days, that was the only thing she could tolerate. It allowed me to feed her small amounts multiple times during the day.

Here's hoping you two have a good day today and continue to improve.
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Postby airwalk » April 13th, 2008, 11:30 am

Christine, you made the right decision for Mick. I know my vets (whom I love) have wanted different dogs to stay with them, for observation...but it totally freaked out two of my dogs to be away from home, so I too signed them out and brought them home.

Now Mick...listen here big guy...you are to have a good day. You are to eat everything Mom puts in front of you. No more vomiting....today is a good day...I'm quite sure he'll absolutely listen to me... :wink:
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Postby CinderDee » April 13th, 2008, 3:31 pm

He is keeping everything down so far... I've been giving him very tiny portions of food and small amounts of water every hour or so - he tolerates me and my nagging/prodding w/an amazing amount of patience. :wink:


That's a big improvement! I'm so glad he's a bit better!

I just wanted to mention that I keep fluids here for Kate in case he needs them, although Lisa gives them to him. (I'm sure I could if she showed me how though)

Glad to hear the positive update! Hang in there!
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Postby mnp13 » April 13th, 2008, 5:37 pm

I only just saw this...

I hope he settles down soon! Good suggestion with the baby food.
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