mnp13 wrote:Name the breeders or don't bring them up. If you think they are that disreputable and that people don't know about it, then out them. If you do nothing to stop their practices (at least by identifying them with proof to back up your claims) then you can't have that much of a problem with what they are doing.
Alrighty then. Why isn't there a single Punchline dog in the OFA database? I looked under both APBT and AmStaf as they have had litters of both. They have had multiple generations, but not a single one is listed. Sure, maybe they use PennHip, but there is more to test for than just hips.
mnp13 wrote:Bull. They are there, you just have to LOOK.... oh, and not miss meet up after meet up after meet up with people who have good prospects. Connor fits the bill 100%, he pretty much taught himself to do area serches and is very good at them. He's insanly driven and works until he's literally falling over. He came from a dumpster.
Yup, there are a couple out there. But there aren't a ton.
mnp13 wrote:bull again. I have one. Chris has a few. Demo has one. I know of three or four others.
Yup, I have one, too. I've met a couple others, too. Problem? I've met HUNDREDS of Pit Bulls. When I'm only seeing a handful of bombproof dogs out of one of the most popular breeds in America, that is disgusting. Especially when that is supposed to be one of the Halmarks of the breed.
mnp13 wrote:I seem to recall Diane posting that Dirk has bad conformation. Is she planning to hard cull that litter to get rid of the ones who are put together wrong? I hope so.
He's relatively straight in angulation. I've seen way worse drooled over on message boards. She makes him sound a lot worse than he really is, when I finally met him I didn't think he was nearly as bad as she made him sound. I'm tough to impress, it's not often that I see a Pit Bull that I REALLY like that I think would better the breed. Dirk is one of them. He is a NICE dog.
mnp13 wrote:When you are as public about your opinions as Diane is, you are held to that level and expected to practice what you preach.
We are all hypocrites sometimes. It's part of human nature. However most of us don't show off about being that way.
She posted about Havok on PBF to flaunt her purchase to everyone. "Look what I did and I dare you to criticize me for it." Now she is breeding???? What respect I had for her is completely 100% gone.
Yup, the whole thing was hypocritical. But, opinions change, and I'm not of the opinion that this breeding (let's pretend the pup will eventually be bred to Dirk) will be a terrible thing.
STOP making excuses for her. If it were ANY one else you'd be all over them like flies on poop.
And, I admit that I might have been. I was not one of her biggest fans. Then I met her in real life, and my opinion changed. Not to one of being a fan, but one that could see that what you see on a message board is not what you get in real life.
cheekymunkee wrote:She couldn't find bomb-proof dogs because she isn't looking for them. I see them every damn day. Look at most of the dogs that came out of Lousiana. Bad Rap says they are some of the best tempered dogs they have ever seen. Guess what?? We got em here too. I have one draped across the end of my bed. Justice, I would not call bomb-proof, she is a bit shy but she warms up very quickly & ends up in your lap.
BadRap also says that they are seeing a lot more scary dogs in there area, too. As in, the local dogs. I'm not impressed with the local dogs at all.
Besides that, there is a lot more other than being bombproof that a dog needs to be a working candidate. Now, add in working drive and biddability. Finding all of those in proper amounts in one dog that wasn't bred for the purpose. That is why most dogs in those fields are ones that are bred for it.
Perhaps many of the Katrina dogs are great. I haven't met any. But, I've had lots of people tell me all about their dog's great temperament, only to leave me with a lot to be desired. After having that happen many, many times, I've gotten pretty skeptical and unwilling to trust what I can't see with my own eyes. I'm picky, and most people aren't as picky as I am.
cheekymunkee wrote:I don't know what kind of pit bulls you guys have up north but if you want to see some REAL bull dogs, come down south. I've seen some squirrley dogs but they way YOU put it, every dog you see is. I don't know what ya'll have or where you are getting them but maybe you are looking in the wrong place.
I just open my eyes and look around me at dogs I see at shows, at work, and around the city. I can count on the fingers on one hand how many I thought had the temperament a Pit Bull should have.
Yes, I know she's a hypocrite about corrections and confinement. I think she's one of those people who doesn't think about the fact that what works for one person may not work for another. But, I don't think her personal opinions are what would make this potential breeding a good or bad idea. I certainly see a lot of potential in it.