Maryellen wrote:supposedly amstaffs are not that dog aggressive, but i bet there are some that are..
I just happen to have one upstairs.
Blitzkrieg Staffords wrote:Maryellen wrote:Unable to ignore the growing demands of fanciers who wanted to legitimize the breed through conformation shows but still unwilling to perpetuate the negative image of pit fighting, the AKC agreed to accept APBTs under the more genteel name of Staffordshire Terrier. In 1972, the breed’s name was changed to American Staffordshire Terrier to distinguish between the heavier AmStaff developed in the United States and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier of England. The 1936 Staffordshire Terrier breed standard was written by APBT breeders; all of the original AKC Staffordshire Terriers were UKC-registered APBTs. But fanciers agreed to the name change from Pit Bull to Staffordshire Terrier as a compromise in order to legitimize the dogs in the show ring.
Because of this common ancestry, some people feel that the two—APBTs and AmStaffs—are essentially the same breed with different names. Sara Nugent, president of the American Staffordshire Terrier Club of America and also a UKC American Pit Bull Terrier judge, points out that the AmStaff stud books have been opened to Pit Bulls as recently as 1966. “People try to say one is different from the other, but they all came from the same gene pool, and no other blood had been added to the mix, so how can you say they are different?” says Nugent. “Genetically, they are the same. The difference is only in what traits people have selected for and what registry they have chosen.”
now that is just what i heard.. i never looked up the difference.
That sums it up nicely for me, ME.
It’s true these dogs all started with the same limited gene pool. But how many years of selective breeding does it take before you have a different dog?
Lisa wrote:I dont get it. Was somone trying to create a different dog? I am pretty sure that was not the intent when the breed became recognized by the AKC.
Changes do occur. But I dont think some of the minor differences that have allowed the AKC to decide to create seperate breeds is sufficient to actually make them really different breeds.
Lisa wrote:I dont consider Wire and Smooth Fox Terriers to be different breeds. They are different coat types. Or the coat types and sizes of Dachshunds. Or the Norwich and Norfolk on ear type. Poodles too, used to be only differentiated by size, and were often crossed.
Lisa wrote:Who decides to make them separate breeds? Or how many years it takes? or what is different enough?
Are breeds whose colors are rarely crossed, like Danes and Cockers, destined to become different breeds too?
Lisa wrote:I believe what defines a BREED is the intent for which it was CREATED.
Lisa wrote: Just because lines and registies cause different VARIETIES of type, coat, color or ear within a breed, this does not make those a different BREED.
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