On January 14 2008, 7:53 AM, pocketpit wrote:I learn more about PSA every time you post something. I had no idea that they had an article guard. Am I correct in thinking it sounds like the French Ring 3 article guard except for the added element of the different articles?
On January 14 2008, 10:07 AM, SisMorphine wrote:I originally got Teeny for FR and started teaching her article guard by feeding her in the basket I was going to have her guard. But that only lasted a week and then chaos ensued and we never followed through.
On January 14 2008, 3:04 PM, cheekymunkee wrote:Great pics! He's pointy.
ONLY the Level 3's have the object guard (so it's not in the lower levels)...But, yes, it's a lot like the FR3 Object Guard...however, in PSA you can have different articles...last year, a golf cart showed up more than once in an object guard...I was surprised that both dogs in the Level 3's who had to do it failed (in one case, the decoy stole the golf cart with the dog in it, and drove around...while he was driving, he had his arm around the dog and was waving to the crowd)!!!
On January 14 2008, 3:09 PM, pocketpit wrote:ONLY the Level 3's have the object guard (so it's not in the lower levels)...But, yes, it's a lot like the FR3 Object Guard...however, in PSA you can have different articles...last year, a golf cart showed up more than once in an object guard...I was surprised that both dogs in the Level 3's who had to do it failed (in one case, the decoy stole the golf cart with the dog in it, and drove around...while he was driving, he had his arm around the dog and was waving to the crowd)!!!
I prefer to start the exercise with puppies but I usually also do some extra article work in the form of obedience.
I develop an association with the article using food and teach them to seek out their basket and run to it. Once they are reliably doing this behavior then I teach them to circle the basket while on or in it and work on increasing distance.
With Eve I've introduced the article guard bitework after just a couple of sessions of obedience style basket work. Instead of using a basket however we start with a really heavy object (in our case a 5lb water container filled with water) that does not move. I straddle the object and keep the puppy between my legs while the decoy agitates and then comes in for a bite. We allow a very brief fight (a couple of seconds) and then the decoy stops and stands still while I pry the puppy off. The second the puppy pops free the handler repeatedly give the "object" command and pulls the puppy back onto the object while the decoy retreats a couple of steps. When the puppy is back on the article the decoy comes back in for another bite.
I've found that if I do the foundation obedience style training the dogs learn the association between being on their article and the decoy returning for yet another bite much faster than if you simply start the exercise with bitework.
Most French Ring-ers teach it this way. The way I understand it, you're teaching a place a command first
On January 14 2008, 4:22 PM, ellie@ny wrote:Those are some great shots!
It's what I learned from the second trainer I worked with and I really like it but surprisingly many of the folks out in my neck of the woods do not teach it that way. They prefer to simply start right away with the bitework.
I know that there is a huge difference in how quickly the exercise made sense to Eve who doesn't get worked very often and the other people's dog who get worked multiple times a week. She gets so amped up when she know that there is bitework going on that I'm glad I am teaching her that way because it gives her something to draw on in term of thinking a bit more clearly.
What you are doing with Cy makes sense and it sounds as if it's just a modified form of the basic principle. Considering that he already knows how to bite properly and out I would probably do the same if he were mine.
On January 14 2008, 6:10 PM, ellie@ny wrote:Your welcome!
We have a Mal at our club,who's being trained in FR ring,I always love to watch his training,sitting in the basket etc...
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