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Postby Chris Fraize » March 17th, 2006, 10:17 am

Chris and Rumble just mesin around with Rumble in the backyard with obedience. The yard was wet and muddy. The wind was strong and it was pretty cold.

Anyway the video is open to constructive comments!

http://www.k9sts.com/rumbleobedmovie/

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Postby Purple » March 17th, 2006, 10:30 am

Rumble looked like he was having a ball!
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Postby chance's mom » March 17th, 2006, 5:24 pm

he looks so happy to work and so eager!!! just curious about something, does he just get over excited and jump at your side or is there a reason for that? never seen it and am just curious. he looks great out there! good work.
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Postby Patch O' Pits » March 17th, 2006, 6:13 pm

Looks awesome! I love to watch you work your dogs! :clap: :clap:
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Postby Malli » March 17th, 2006, 6:14 pm

I agree, rumble is very happy in his work :)

Do you both use lots of toy reward to teach them?

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Postby lluksa » March 17th, 2006, 8:05 pm

Very nice and he is very into his work! Have to say...I LOVED his enthusiastic return to heel!
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Postby Chris Fraize » March 18th, 2006, 1:51 pm

Thanks all.

Rumble loves to work. The jump to heel is Rumble’s idea, totally natural for him. I use a combination of positive and negative reinforcement throughout training. (I don’t believe in purely positive training.) Balance training is the key.

Rumble takes his toll on me during obedience. He plays rough! He is one of my all time favorites to train with!

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Postby ellie@ny » March 18th, 2006, 2:20 pm

That's an awesome video!Rumble looks extremly happy,and smart!!!I belive he would do anything for you...! :rock:
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » March 18th, 2006, 2:25 pm

As always I'm astounded! I love how Rumble's tail wags non-stop - he seems to adore you.
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Postby Malli » March 18th, 2006, 4:03 pm

Did I see him try and take the toy from you after the out?

My dog tries to take his toy reward early in training... it would be kind of funny if it didn't cause more corrections :rolleyes2:

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Postby bullymommy » March 18th, 2006, 4:59 pm

GOD! as aways the only thing that comes to mind is WOW!!!! i would love it if you were able to pm me some pointers!

PS Rumble is cute as hell!!!
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Postby Jenn » March 19th, 2006, 12:57 am

I enjoyed the video too :)
The jumping made me laugh, of course I had to go make a sandwich, leave the computer for a while then come back to watch it, lol but enjoyed it none the less.
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Postby odnarb » March 19th, 2006, 3:44 pm

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His flip finish is awesome :D
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Postby dogcrazyjen » March 21st, 2006, 12:25 pm

Hey Chris, I have a question for you. When do you discipline? What do you use for corrections?


I have done corrections, and know how to do them, but was swept up in the clicker nazi movement and was anti-positive punishment/negative reinforcement for a long time.

I have been a purely positive clicker trainer, and am finding some holes that most PP trainers deny are there. I have not seen control like you have out of many purely positive trainers outside of breeds such as Goldens and BCs.


Yet I do not want to go mostly punishment either. I think, as you said, balance is key. I love the clicker for teaching behaviors, but I find it is not the best at teaching limits, or non-behaviors. There are some behaviors which I would like to not occur because the dog knows not to do it, rather than I have trained around it (such as taking food off counters.)

We can move this to behavior and training if anyone wants.

BTW, I love that video, very impressive to see the excitement to work and the control in the same dog. I really would like to come up to see you some time with my girls. Could you PM me your rates?
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Postby DemoDick » March 21st, 2006, 12:41 pm

Sorry Chris, I just got a chance to watch the video for the first time.

I like that Rumble ignores the unstable and irregular footing (hay bales, log) to maintain handler focus. I also like that he stays focused on you throughout the session, but that's not a surprise as I've seen him maintain that focus a lot longer than that with multiple decoys to distract him.

I had no sound on the version I watched. Towards the end you recalled him off of a hay bale. Were you directing him to crawl during the recall or was he creeping?

Connor does the same flip finish into heel (his idea as well). The difference is he doesn't slam me in the junk like Rumble does to Chris. He hits me in the chest and shoulder. The more I watch Rumble work the more I see Connor's potential. They must share the same brain.

Cool video. Should be required viewing for anyone who claims that corrections in training produce an unhappy obedience dog. I'm hoping to post a similar one myself soon.

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Postby Maryellen » March 21st, 2006, 12:51 pm

OMG that was awesome
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Postby Chris Fraize » March 21st, 2006, 5:31 pm

When do you discipline?

When the dog is clearly disobeying.

What do you use for corrections?

I use mostly efficient, strong, well-timed understandable (by the dog) corrections. Some slight, some hard. The “level of correction” is different from dog to dog and drive to drive. Then as soon as the dog gets it correct, I will let him know he is now correct. Timing and level of corrections are everything.


BTW, I love that video, very impressive to see the excitement to work and the control in the same dog. I really would like to come up to see you some time with my girls. Could you PM me your rates?

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Postby Chris Fraize » March 21st, 2006, 5:33 pm

Hi Danmodick!

We taught Rumble a crawl for the local fire departments and teaching kids what to do in a fire. The "Crawl" is a command. Though (as you have seen) sometimes Rumble "Offers" it when he is in drive overload!

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Postby dogcrazyjen » March 21st, 2006, 8:32 pm

So are you using a choke chain? What do you use if off leash the dog disobeys, or do you not go off leash until you are 100% sure of the dog?

What do you think of the 30 minute down exercise?

Thank you for the answers above, they certainly jive with what I thought and have seen.
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Postby Chris Fraize » March 21st, 2006, 9:45 pm

So are you using a choke chain?

I don’t really like choke chains. I try to avoid using them. Sometimes choke chains are a good tool for a few things.

What do you use if off leash the dog disobeys,

The short answer is …”me”. :twisted: Easier to explain in person. :?

or do you not go off leash until you are 100% sure of the dog?

I start off leash when the dog is ready. Each dog is ready at a different time.

What do you think of the 30 minute down exercise?

Love it!

Thank you for the answers above, they certainly jive with what I thought and have seen.

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