they wrote:So...is he an American Pit Bull Terrier or an American Staffordshire Terrier? There's a difference (not much) but you said he was AKC registered yet you refer to him as a Pit Bull.
Just curious, one is recognized by the AKC and the other is not.
we wrote:He's triple registered...as an APBT with the UKC and ADBA and AST with the AKC. In his particular case there is no difference, it's just a matter of what he's registered as with each club.
they wrote:"In his particular case there is no difference, it's just a matter of what he's registered as with each club."
What do you mean? There is a difference in structure and a noteworthy one at that! Not that this really matters, but just to clear things up, which one is he really? A lot of people may think that there is no really "pure bred" pit bull out there and I agree w/ that to a point. I guess what is more common is to just roll w/ a dog's phenotype. So which are you labeling him as, regardless of his pedigree because you are obviously choosing two-depending on the KC.
But to know the structural difference and temperment difference of both breeds, you'd be ignorant to assume that one is the same as the other. They're close indeed, but there are NOTEABLE differences!
we wrote:He is registered with the ADBA, AKC and UKC. That makes him a Pit Bull with the UKC/ADBA and an AmStaff with the AKC.
I know a few people who have finished their dogs in both registries, and one of them has finished a dog in all three.
Riggs' litter brother finished his AKC championship and they are very similar in body structure.
If I had to pick one, I would say he is more of the UKC "type", but if I packed a few extra pounds on him he would have the smoother, less muscled look that the AKC judges seem to prefer.
All that said, I am one of the "it's all the same breed" people. The AKC stud book for the AmStaff is 100% Pit Bull.
"But to know the structural difference and temperment difference of both breeds, you'd be ignorant to assume that one is the same as the other. They're close indeed, but there are NOTEABLE differences! "
Would you be more specific here?
they wrote:Send me an e-mail and I can give you "for instances". I can't readily post photos here like I can in an e-mail and do not have them all up on a web site. Feel free to copy/paste any of our conversation from such here in the future if you'd like!
mnp13 wrote:I agree with some of that, but to say AmStaffs are rarer than Pit Bulls is not true, nor is it true that UKC/ADBA dogs make up most of the Pit Bulls in shelters.
realpitbull wrote:Do you have stats to prove otherwise?
I have AKC stats, but ADBA and UKC won't release stats. As far as I can tell, AKC reg AmStaffs just aren't any where near as prevalent as UKC/ADBA reg dogs. Do I have proof that UKC/ADBA dogs or unreg'd dogs of UKC/ADBA ancestry make up the majority of Pit Bulls in shelters? Not proof in the scientific sense, but comparing the numbers of Pit Bulls in shelters to the number of AmStaffs the AKC registers every year leads me to believe me "guess" is correct.
mnp13 wrote:I agree with some of that, but to say AmStaffs are rarer than Pit Bulls is not true, nor is it true that UKC/ADBA dogs make up most of the Pit Bulls in shelters.
Hartagold AmStaffs wrote:And if the people don't register the dogs w/AKC, they're NOT AmStaffs. AmStaff simply means AKC registered pit bull, IMO.
mnp13 wrote:I would guess what you are saying is correct actually, BUT if you can't back it up with actual data then I don't think you should say it. Whether you mean it that way or not, it makes it sound like AKC breeders are the responsible ones and the UKC/ADBA breeders are the problem. that's just not true.
JCleve86 wrote:The definition of "breed" is that when two specimins of the same breed mate, they breed "true." I'm sorry, but if you bred a dog like STP's Buck to, say, this CH Amstaff, you are NOT going to get a consistant litter...they will not breed true.
I don't know that I'd consider APBTs and ASTs entirely seperate breeds, but rather seperate types of one breed.
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