Romanwild wrote:No offense but how the hell would you know?
mydawgs wrote:Romanwild wrote:No offense but how the hell would you know?
Well you wouldn't know, but that doesn't mean there arn't game dogs and plenty of them according to the original authors definition. Please note the distinction between a game dog and a proven game dog. It is my humble opinion a dog is either game or it isn't, but since the only true way to test them is by fighting (as I believe that game is multi dimensional and only being tested in the pit stresses all the doggers criteria) then the majority of us will never know,
soooooo I think the real issue here is what should the "new" gates for deciding to breed good dogs be, as doggers past used "gameness" as defined in the pit for finding worthy dogs to breed. At least this is what I have concluded from my research.
JCleve86 wrote:Back to the point, the historical "game bred" dog was one DIRECTLY sired or whelped off of a dog that was proven and then later had the honored unofficial title of "game" bestowed upon them. Game was an unofficial title of honor bestowed on only a very very few dogs in history. This title was sparingly and grudgingly bestowed by other dog men in honor of a dog. It was NOT an honor bestowed upon a kennel or a person OR a line of dogs. Nor was it a claim that could be made by the owner of the dog let alone the owner of the BYB kennel who buys a dog with XW within the pedigree. Call em whatever you want but performance lines or other similar terminology is more appropriate.
Most of the BYB criminal wanna be kennels cannot even honestly claim that their bred-by dogs fit within the more correct terminology of being performance bred or working lines (e.g. hog dogs) because they do nothing to prove their breeding stock are capable of excelling at performance or working events. Their claim to fame is typically based upon secretive back yard rolls they call "game testing" that do no more to show a dog has true grit than walking them down the street.
That being said there are no TRULY and due honored game dogs left on the planet and consequently there are only a very very few “game bred” dogs still alive.
You say you know of modern day game dogs or game bred dogs? I say you are pretending or at the very most know of criminals and wanna bes who have no clue what the real term meant and probably assigned the term to their own animals which is the utmost in ignorance!
Then you come back saying that hog hunting proves a dog game? That is the penultimate in a silly statement and fully exhibits your lack of true knowledge of the breed. I showed that to a hog hunting buddy of mine running Carver dogs and he practically barfed. For your future reference, a good hog dog is just that, a good hog dog or maybe even a proven catch dog. You can claim it is a way to prove game just like others claim that weight pull proves game. Neither is correct within the true historical framework. Both prove drive, skill and heart and maybe grit in the case of hog hunting. A good hog dog is a good hog dog and in some of those circles that is an honor enough in itself. As eluded to catching under hard duress (very few wild boars can take it that far) does prove grit but the title of game was never utilized as part of catch sports. However, through bull baiting the term did originate as a noun ie “that dog has game”. This meant the dog had grit, determination, tenacity and drive. This term evolved later to become a title of sorts as described above.
Using the word "game" in any form these days is the same as using the phrases "rare blue" or “pure bred merle APBT”. It is false advertising.
PPP wrote:JCleve86 wrote:You say you know of modern day game dogs or game bred dogs? I say you are pretending or at the very most know of criminals and wanna bes who have no clue what the real term meant and probably assigned the term to their own animals which is the utmost in ignorance!
PPP wrote:PPP wrote:JCleve86 wrote:You say you know of modern day game dogs or game bred dogs? I say you are pretending or at the very most know of criminals and wanna bes who have no clue what the real term meant and probably assigned the term to their own animals which is the utmost in ignorance!
Matrix accuses anyone who knows of modern day game dogs or game bred dogs, of Pretending.
I said, I NEVER pretend.
mydawgs wrote:Roman -
I respect what you are saying, but I too respectfully disagree with the outing of the term "game" when it comes to an APBT. Try this for a read it is quite good and it is easy to understand. And BTW, don't chuckle but I'm the only one I know that has a gamebred petbull.......
Click on the link provided below and then
Start where this question is asked........
What exactly is "gameness"?
[The following is an exchange that occured on bulldog-l between
Scott Bradwell and Wilf LeBlanc. The passages offset with ">"'s
are questions posed by Wilf.]
I think it sums up in one place a lot of the discussion I've seen here in this post, I found it easy to read from a laymans perspective.
below is one of the times I fought on ESPN. It hasnt been all that long ago.
I can still TCB when I have to. Perhaps you should turn me in?
cheekymunkee wrote:It will be a shame if you leave the board, I have noticed you are VERY knowledgable and I think you have a lot to share & teach. But this is not a board where fighting will be glorified or supported.........now or in the past.
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