Because this is a well discussed and completely agreed upon topic that I have had with several real dogmen (RIP and stay young)...
The title of Game is proven and obtained in one way and in one way only.
THE history lesson: Let’s take the dog from history that destroyed in the ring (always won). This dog was NOT game he was talented. A dog that never lost in the ring was never shown, let alone proven, to be game. Thus, all the XWs in a pedigree mean absolutely ZIP in the realm of “gameness”. A game dog was one that never realized they had lost even though they did so in dramatic fashion. Also “game” has nothing to do with overt uncontrolled aggression and there was never seen to be a correlation. That is one of the saddest things that resolved from so many of the publications the community seems to cherish is that we were inadvertently led to conclude that one equaled the other. Every wanna be dog man thinks the more aggressive a dog is the more “game” they are. That makes this old modern dogman puke.
Back to the point, the historical "game bred" dog was one DIRECTLY sired or whelped off of a dog that was proven and then later had the honored unofficial title of "game" bestowed upon them. Game was an unofficial title of honor bestowed on only a very very few dogs in history. This title was sparingly and grudgingly bestowed by other dog men in honor of a dog. It was NOT an honor bestowed upon a kennel or a person OR a line of dogs. Nor was it a claim that could be made by the owner of the dog let alone the owner of the BYB kennel who buys a dog with XW within the pedigree. Call em whatever you want but performance lines or other similar terminology is more appropriate.
Most of the BYB criminal wanna be kennels cannot even honestly claim that their bred-by dogs fit within the more correct terminology of being performance bred or working lines (e.g. hog dogs) because they do nothing to prove their breeding stock are capable of excelling at performance or working events. Their claim to fame is typically based upon secretive back yard rolls they call "game testing" that do no more to show a dog has true grit than walking them down the street.
That being said there are no TRULY and due honored game dogs left on the planet and consequently there are only a very very few “game bred” dogs still alive.
You say you know of modern day game dogs or game bred dogs? I say you are pretending or at the very most know of criminals and wanna bes who have no clue what the real term meant and probably assigned the term to their own animals which is the utmost in ignorance!
Then you come back saying that hog hunting proves a dog game? That is the penultimate in a silly statement and fully exhibits your lack of true knowledge of the breed. I showed that to a hog hunting buddy of mine running Carver dogs and he practically barfed. For your future reference, a good hog dog is just that, a good hog dog or maybe even a proven catch dog. You can claim it is a way to prove game just like others claim that weight pull proves game. Neither is correct within the true historical framework. Both prove drive, skill and heart and maybe grit in the case of hog hunting. A good hog dog is a good hog dog and in some of those circles that is an honor enough in itself. As eluded to catching under hard duress (very few wild boars can take it that far) does prove grit but the title of game was never utilized as part of catch sports. However, through bull baiting the term did originate as a noun ie “that dog has game”. This meant the dog had grit, determination, tenacity and drive. This term evolved later to become a title of sorts as described above.
Using the word "game" in any form these days is the same as using the phrases "rare blue" or “pure bred merle APBT”. It is false advertising.
Blitzkrieg Staffords wrote:I agree with most of what they say, but, just because he doesn't own game dogs that doesn't mean they don't exist.
odnarb wrote:Blitzkrieg Staffords wrote:I agree with most of what they say, but, just because he doesn't own game dogs that doesn't mean they don't exist.
There are APBTs outside the show world???? No freakin' way!!!
And, in case you didn't know, show dogs do not have ANY faults ever. Nor are any show breeders who pump out litter after litter irresponsible. Or one would think if they visited PBP.
Karen wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:Now, now, be nice or PBP will take their message board & website down!!!
cheekymunkee wrote:Oh I LOVE it!! Where else can you see breeders rip the snot out of each other on one forum & "cute puppy" each other on another? Big fun!!!
>>> They argue if "we take out the gameness in a pit
>>>bull they will be a shell of a dog, that we used to
>>>know as a pit bull and we would have a totally
>>>different breed of dog".
Romanwild wrote:By the way, Dreyfus is blue and has 2 blue ribbons in the show ring so far. That does mean he is perfect.
and the only reason he failed the cgc/tdi is because of his "gameness"!
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