On March 12 2007, 1:54 PM, Romanwild wrote:On March 12 2007, katiek0417 wrote:On March 10 2007, 9:33 PM, Romanwild wrote:Do you have your dogs off leash in public or are they always leashed?
Actually, they HAVE been off-leash often in public. We tell them to "fulligan" (heel) and they do. And they "attention heel," so they look at us while they're doing so. This past weekend is the perfect example. Even Jue was off-leash, running around at times...when we would call him, he'd come running back to us....there were people standing around talking at the time....right where he was....
So there has never been a time when they don't heel or come when called?
On March 12 2007, 1:53 PM, Romanwild wrote:On March 12 2007, brooksybrooks1 wrote:romanwild, i think that your opinions are due to a lack of experience and an unwillingness to learn. I think that if you were more open minded and also willing to see another side of it you would be able to learn a lot more. You are looking for people to say something that you can construe as bad about protection work, and although you claim you have nothing against it, i don't really believe you at all. your unwillingness to see anything other than your predetermined idea really keeps you from seeing a lot of the good things about it or even the basic tenents of protection training, and it's really unfortunate.
i think you bring up valid points, but then when people try to educate you about them you don't learn, but instead just try tofind some small inconsistency in their argument that is irrelevant or obviously just a wording error. i really think that if you knew what you were talking about you would know that protection training actually makes a SAFER dog. any dog canmake a mistake and bite someone, protection training reduces this risk, imo, by teaching the dog WHEN to bite, they aren't going to be as surprised by a situation, and instead be much more calculated than a dog with no pp training or bitework.
you need to read and speak to a lot more trainers and watch dogs that are very experienced. i think it would silence a lot of your thoughts.
Only one opinion I have put forth in this thread is that I do not like a bite work dog to make their own decisions and that bitework should come after OB. Especially if it's a Pit Bull. That's all.
You're trying to imply that I don't know what I'm talking about, is lame. If you don't agree then argue your point. Bottom line is that it's a difference of opinion. I have mine and I have them for my reasons. If people want to teach their dogs, especially Pit Bulls, to bite when they think they should then go ahead. I'm not proposing a ban on that kind of training. IMO a lot of bitework people are cavalier about having a dog that can decide when it's appropriate to bite. They are overly confident of their dogs level of obedience and should be a more careful.
A dog is a tool to be used by the handler. Forgive the use of a gun analogy but when you have a dog that is bitework trained and independent it's like having a gun that can pull it's own trigger.
On 03/12/2007 12:35 PM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:i feel like i'm taking crazy pills!!!
On 03/12/2007 12:42 PM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:the points that i feel like i've been clear on but maybe i haven't, are that protection does not equal aggression, a protection dog is a very safe dog, safer than perhaps a normal dog, and that a dog can be very obedient but that protection obedience has to be trained in conjunction with protection.
and them are saying, and the difference between my psa thread where i may have sounded like charles at the beginning and the way charles sounds in this thread is that i was told otherwise and i accepted and embraced it
i don't have an issue anymore-charles refuses to learn but instead just bashes everyone who is active in this field.
On March 12 2007, 9:01 PM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:on a lighter note-i'm about to post some wonderful, uncontroversial pics in the photo section that people might want to check out!
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