What if something like this happened to them? Would you still be so against teaching a dog to bite people if it kept them safe?
A dog that is trained in PP will bite if you don't tell him to if the situation is right.
PP dogs can make the distinction.
However, that doesn't mean I can't take Jue, or Asja, or Dru, or Nisha out somewhere and have them be in a social situation (okay, Jue isn't social, per se, but he won't just bite someone if we're out).
For example, I can take any one of those dogs out somewhere, and not have them bite.
On March 08 2007, cheekymunkee wrote:On March 08 2007, 1:16 PM, Romanwild wrote:On March 08 2007, mnp13 wrote:So a dog with drive can have too much obedience and inhibition?
And again... bite inhibition is the last thing that a protection dog needs. Why exactly would you want a dog that is trained to protect to stop biting when the person he is biting reacts in a negative manner?
Bite inhibition is a dog not biting.
(psychology) the conscious exclusion of unacceptable thoughts or desires
IMO I don't like a dog that is constantly sizing up people and scenarios to decide whether or not he should bite them. I just feel a protection dog should bite only when they are commanded to.
This leads me to Katies post which I will reply to later tonight. As well as the others. Back to work for me!
But, what if you are gagged or somehow disabled & not ABLE to give voice or an other commands? What if you are alseep & someone enters your home with the intent to do you harm? Now, as I have stated I know NOTHING about bite work other than what I have read & seen here but I do know there are times when the handler will not always be able to give commands IRL.
On March 08 2007, mnp13 wrote:In many threads you have referred to "bite inhibition" as a dog's unwillingness to bite someone; due to training or instinct. Like when a dog puts it's teeth on you and you yelp and stop playing with that dog. I'll find a quote somewhere. I've heard it from you and numerous people. Ruby and Connor absolutely have it or I would be torn to shread from playing with them. I would assume that Riggs does as well, but he does not play that way.
A bitework dog letting go of someone because they make a noise is completely useless. Decoys are supposed to yell, to try to make the dog release the grip.
Do dogs sometimes bite in error? Absolutely. Dogs make mistakes. They happen. It's awful when they happen, but the reality of the dog world is that dogs have teeth and sometimes they do something that is completely unexpected and completely contrary to their training.
Even dogs trained only for sport and only to bite equipment can one day misinterpret someone actions. Blaming a trainer, handler, the dog or even the training itself is short sighted.
They aren't loose canons, dangerous or anything else.
There is a HUGE difference between a bite and an attack. Bites can be accidental, and what the dog does after that bite says a lot about that dog. An attack is completely different, it's meant to do harm, it includes repeated bites or a complete refusal to let go.
With only two exceptions, EVERY event I have been to in the past three years (I figured it out, it's around 10) has had a bite, an attempted bite, a dog fight or an attempted dog fight at it. At AKC or UKC shows it is QUICKLY covered up, as any aggression can get you kicked out of the show or even out of the UKC or AKC completely. That does not mean it doesn't happen. I watched two Aussies go after each other at the agility trial that both of us were at last spring. The handlers happened to have leashes that were too short, and neither of them were paying close attention. It didn't go any farther than noise, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
[url=http://www.pitbulltalk.com//viewtopic.php?p=118321#118321]On March 10 2007, cheekymunkee[/URL] wrote:What if it's a ninja?
Quote:IMO I don't like a dog that is constantly sizing up people and scenarios to decide whether or not he should bite them. I just feel a protection dog should bite only when they are commanded to.
Guess what, Charles? If Greg our I has one of our dogs out somewhere, they're not sizing people up. They're focus is where it should be: on us.
Bite work DOES NOT EQUAL instability.
On March 11 2007, 00:34, Romanwild wrote:On March 08 2007, mnp13 wrote:In many threads you have referred to "bite inhibition" as a dog's unwillingness to bite someone; due to training or instinct. Like when a dog puts it's teeth on you and you yelp and stop playing with that dog. I'll find a quote somewhere. I've heard it from you and numerous people. Ruby and Connor absolutely have it or I would be torn to shread from playing with them. I would assume that Riggs does as well, but he does not play that way.
So Connor and Riggs who both do bite work have bite inhibition? I thought that wasn't a good thing.
On March 10 2007, 9:33 PM, Romanwild wrote:Do you have your dogs off leash in public or are they always leashed?
On March 11 2007, 11:37 PM, luvmypitties wrote:I love the pictures! And I will say I love Jue too! He looks like a cool dog although not one I would mess with..hehe! I would not want to look at Jue if he was jumping and barking like that in my face... I would be checking my drawers...
And I am guessing Rusty was the pitbull that Greg was telling me about when I met you guys huh? (oh and that question was for Katrina so i am not confusing anyone)
On March 12 2007, brooksybrooks1 wrote:romanwild, i think that your opinions are due to a lack of experience and an unwillingness to learn. I think that if you were more open minded and also willing to see another side of it you would be able to learn a lot more. You are looking for people to say something that you can construe as bad about protection work, and although you claim you have nothing against it, i don't really believe you at all. your unwillingness to see anything other than your predetermined idea really keeps you from seeing a lot of the good things about it or even the basic tenents of protection training, and it's really unfortunate.
i think you bring up valid points, but then when people try to educate you about them you don't learn, but instead just try tofind some small inconsistency in their argument that is irrelevant or obviously just a wording error. i really think that if you knew what you were talking about you would know that protection training actually makes a SAFER dog. any dog canmake a mistake and bite someone, protection training reduces this risk, imo, by teaching the dog WHEN to bite, they aren't going to be as surprised by a situation, and instead be much more calculated than a dog with no pp training or bitework.
you need to read and speak to a lot more trainers and watch dogs that are very experienced. i think it would silence a lot of your thoughts.
On March 12 2007, katiek0417 wrote:On March 10 2007, 9:33 PM, Romanwild wrote:Do you have your dogs off leash in public or are they always leashed?
Actually, they HAVE been off-leash often in public. We tell them to "fulligan" (heel) and they do. And they "attention heel," so they look at us while they're doing so. This past weekend is the perfect example. Even Jue was off-leash, running around at times...when we would call him, he'd come running back to us....there were people standing around talking at the time....right where he was....
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