SisMorphine wrote:Just in case anyone forgot about this recent little issue:
I was counting down the seconds for that to be mentioned.
Kirkland Signature was not part of that recall.
~Lindsay~
msvette2u wrote:Our cats get Purina One and the dogs are on Nutro Natural or Kirkland Signature. Both the dog foods have a meat "meal" as first ingredients although probably considered mid-range food as well. I would recommend Canidae, or Walmart Maxximum brands, we have fed those in the past. I rarely recommend Purina products other than ONE. There's bunches of kibble brands I recommend NOT feeding, more than the ones I recommend feeding, specifically Ol' Roy (I've been known to stop people in the store from buying that!) and Science Diet. For the price difference, you can get a better quality kibble.
We've never had health problems with our dogs, the oldest is now 6? 7? and the youngest is less than a year. Other than Copper, whose current problem is one of breeding, that is, a disc problem associated with long-backed dogs. We've had him less than 2 years despite the fact he is now 8 years old.
Meat and poultry meals, by-product meals, and meat-and-bone meal are common ingredients in pet foods. The term "meal" means that these materials are not used fresh, but have been rendered. What is rendering? Rendering, as defined by Webster's Dictionary, is "to process as for industrial use: to render livestock carcasses and to extract oil from fat, blubber, etc., by melting." Home-made chicken soup, with its thick layer of fat that forms over the top when the soup is cooled, is a sort of mini-rendering process. Rendering separates fat-soluble from water-soluble and solid materials, removes most of the water, and kills bacterial contaminants, but may alter or destroy some of the natural enzymes and proteins found in the raw ingredients. Meat and poultry by-products, while not rendered, vary widely in composition and quality.
and he got fat and suddenly got sick and died.
Perhaps you would like to know what MEAL really is,
i think the general consensus has been that people should feed what they are comfortable feeding and the raw feeders have had to explain and re-explain why they are feeding what they are comfortable feeding and asked over and over again to explain it and asked why they won't cook their dogs' food.
they explain it.
it gets asked again.
i think it's pretty clear that they feel the health benefits are worth the perceived risk. and you feel the same about your choice to feed kibble with a multivitamin pill.
This is always the argument given to discredit vets. And in some cases it is true, but not always.
A shiny coat is not necessarily an indication of a healthy overall dog.
I bet if many of the raw diet feeders suddenly switched to cooked meat, they would see little to no difference.
Our formulas are made from real chicken meal and lamb meal for guaranteed great taste. Chicken meal is made from the best parts of the chicken and does not include chicken by-products (no chicken heads, feet, or intestines)
cheekymunkee wrote:Sounds like nothing but fillers, preservatives & crap to me but hey, if you are happy with it who I am to say anything.
LindsaySF wrote:[Where I disagree is this: None of the problems you mentioned are a result of cooking our food.
~Lindsay~
Magnolia618 wrote:This is Demi. (I have mentioned her SEVERAL times in this thread)
When she came into the shelter she was covered in sores, had no hair on her back end, behind her ears, and her paws. She was a MESS. You can't even tell in these pictures how bad it was.
I'm not saying that they were life threatening problems, I'm talking everything from gooky eyes, to demodex, to bad coats. You see alot working in shelters.
Honestly? I dont know much about the disease, but I would bet alot that if the dog was on a better quality kibble or raw, that he would have been MUCH healthier. They fed him crap food (purina something, maybe?) and he got fat and suddenly got sick and died.
msvette2u wrote:Actually the "meal" is the most recommended ingredient I've seen on this board since "chicken" is mostly water and cooks down. I should add, that is a direct quote from one of the mods of this board. I didn't understand this myself until I read it the way she put it (that's Michelle).
cheekymunkee wrote:I have been discussing the benefits of a raw diet with you & you feed THAT poop? I knew I was wasting my time.
SpiritFngrz wrote:Yes, I agree Demi does look much better. However, I won't agree with you that a raw diet will enhance an immune system.
My Ph.D. will be in Immunology/Pathobiology, in case anyone wants to duke it out
Again, I'm not saying raw is bad. Am I a tad skeptical? Yes
SpiritFngrz wrote:Yes, I agree Demi does look much better. However, I won't agree with you that a raw diet will enhance an immune system.
My Ph.D. will be in Immunology/Pathobiology, in case anyone wants to duke it out
Again, I'm not saying raw is bad. Am I a tad skeptical? Yes
cheekymunkee wrote:Sounds like nothing but fillers, preservatives & crap to me but hey, if you are happy with it who I am to say anything.
LindsaySF wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:I have been discussing the benefits of a raw diet with you & you feed THAT poop? I knew I was wasting my time.
Regardless of what he/she feeds, he/she has posted a number of good links and information valid to this debate.
You talk about ignoring posts, but I think some of Msvette2u's posts are the most ignored of all....
~Lindsay~
LindsaySF wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:I have been discussing the benefits of a raw diet with you & you feed THAT poop? I knew I was wasting my time.
Regardless of what he/she feeds, he/she has posted a number of good links and information valid to this debate.
You talk about ignoring posts, but I think some of Msvette2u's posts are the most ignored of all....
~Lindsay~
msvette2u wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:Sounds like nothing but fillers, preservatives & crap to me but hey, if you are happy with it who I am to say anything.
For someone who whined for pages about "feeling attacked", you're doing pretty good at attacking!
Amazingly, you guys tout the benefits of raw by saying your dog's coat is shiny. If I say our dogs' coats are shiny you scoff and say they would be shinier if on raw.
What gives?? You can say "the proof is in the pudding" about your dog's appearance yet if I do, because I feed kibble, I'm full of it? Double standard...HMMM???
Look at this dog and tell me he's unhealthy because of what I'm feeding him.
You can't do it. I rest my case. (BTW this dog is 4 yet you'd never know it to look at his teeth-should I post another teeth shot?? )
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