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Postby msvette2u » March 31st, 2006, 10:52 pm

Copper (the doxie) has a Frito smell to his feet and within a week after a bath it has sort of spread up his chest. I wonder if this could be yeast? It smells mostly like Fritos. He's a hound. I've heard hounds are smelly. I have no clue!! :|
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Postby Marinepits » March 31st, 2006, 11:19 pm

Malli wrote:Did the Doc. say how long to use it for??


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Until it started to clear, then use once a day until completely gone. Which, at this rate, will be Tuesday. Whoopie!
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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 9:17 am

Malli wrote:I'd love to hear the results!

Os is up for one of those, whenever I have money, we have also had problems for most of his life...

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Hey, Malli --

My vet just called with Mac's allergy test report.

A "normal" reading for the beginning of a mild allergic reaction is 150.

Mac's blood reacted to dust mites (including storage mites) at 4,100

He also reacted to 3 different types of molds at 3,500 to 4,000

Good news is he has no reactions to any type of weed, tree, or grass!

I asked the vet about testing for food allergies and she said the blood serum test for that is very unreliable and a waste of money. My best bet is trial-and-error to see what causes the least allergic reaction, which I've pretty much done at this point. He seems to react the most to any beef, chicken, and corn products, so we're feeding him Merrick Wilderness Blend with great success.

At this point, she's ordering a series of allergy shots specifically set-up for the dust mites and molds and we'll try him on those shots for the next 8 to 12 months and see if that helps. I also need to vacuum more often than every other day (dammit).

My vet also brought up a very good point that I never thought about -- for anyone with a dog that's allergic to any type of beef, DO NOT give Heartguard chewables. They are made with a beef base. Heartguard does come in a non-chewable tablet without any beef products, so that's what I'll pick up next time I'm at the vet.
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Postby Maryellen » April 5th, 2006, 9:22 am

i am wondering about the allergy shots. ... cant you give him a benadryl instead and see how that goes first?? my gsd her house/dust mite report was about that high too.. i got this dust mite/house mite powder to put on the remaining carpet and then vaccumm, it works a little, i clean more now too...
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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 9:34 am

Benadryl doesn't work for Mac -- he was at the maximum dosage with no results but diarrhea.

He's now on hydroxazine 50 mg once before bedtime so we can all sleep through the night without him scratching himself bloody. I don't like this pill because it really dopes him up if I give it to him twice a day -- it stops the scratching and the "bully bumps" but I'd rather have my boy happy and itchy than gorked out and non-itchy.

We've also tried some mild courses of steroids to try and get the itching under control but Mac has a "hamster bladder" so he pees everywhere while on the steroids.

Both the vet and I think the shots are worth a try for now, just to get him off the sedating pills.

I'm personally allergic to dust mites, too, so I ripped up all the wall-to-wall carpeting when we moved here and I just have a few area rugs with short pile on the wood floors. I have the Dyson Animal vacuum which helps TONS in getting rid of dust -- I'll just have to use it more often. And, wash/replace the dogs beds more often, too. I hate housework, FlyLady or no. :x
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Postby Maryellen » April 5th, 2006, 9:41 am

holy smokes he is worse then my jesse!!! it sounds like maybe the allergy shots might work.. so he is doing better on the wilderness blend then?
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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 9:47 am

Maryellen wrote:holy smokes he is worse then my jesse!!! it sounds like maybe the allergy shots might work.. so he is doing better on the wilderness blend then?


MUCH better on the Wilderness Blend. No diarrhea, no vomiting, no inflamed itchy mouth and neck, and very few bully bumps. And no ear infections! He's been on just that food, with no treats but baby carrots and apples, for the past six weeks and his skin is much improved.

The hubby gave him some steak the other day (damn him!) and Mac almost immediately got bumps all up and down his legs -- he got two pills that night. :x
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Postby Maryellen » April 5th, 2006, 9:49 am

stupid husband, mine does that too, i say no treats for jesse , and what does he do? gives her chicken... so then i smack him on the side of his head and say look what you did..... sometimes they just dont understand.....
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Postby Maryellen » April 5th, 2006, 9:52 am

dam it has brown rice in it!!!
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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 10:30 am

I'm on my way to pick up more dog food now, along with trash bags to cover the dog bed inserts (I just bought new beds about a month ago -- figures), so I'll check and see what other foods they have.....
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Postby Malli » April 5th, 2006, 11:54 am

He gets reactions around his mouth?

See, Oscar has a terrible stomach, but no hives weird mouth issues, or vomiting that I can see directly related to something he ate. What was his reaction time??

My Vet. and I are almost positive that he has Atopy : inhaled and environmental contact allergies.

Though sometimes I wonder if its mild food allergies with major Atopy...

Really though, we haven't see any great improvements with ANY of the foods we've tried...

Oh, hey, is Mac on fish Oil?? Omega 3 Fatty Acid Capsules with Vitamin E (apparently they can get a difficiency of the E if none is added?) have done wonders for Oscar's coat. It is tons less dry, flaky, and oily (if that makes sense, I know it doesn't seem to...)

I really need to think about getting over to Vancouver for those tests, but the whole ordeal is most likely going to cost about $650 + so you may understand my hesitation...

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Oh thanks for the update:) The more info we can share, the better!
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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 2:27 pm

Malli wrote:He gets reactions around his mouth?

Sometimes, depending on the food -- his mouthy gets very very red and he "swats" at it with his paws. He also scratches the heck out of his throat.

See, Oscar has a terrible stomach, but no hives weird mouth issues, or vomiting that I can see directly related to something he ate. What was his reaction time??

Most often, within 15 minutes of him eating something "bad" for him.

My Vet. and I are almost positive that he has Atopy : inhaled and environmental contact allergies.

Though sometimes I wonder if its mild food allergies with major Atopy...

Really though, we haven't see any great improvements with ANY of the foods we've tried...

Oh, hey, is Mac on fish Oil?? Omega 3 Fatty Acid Capsules with Vitamin E (apparently they can get a difficiency of the E if none is added?) have done wonders for Oscar's coat. It is tons less dry, flaky, and oily (if that makes sense, I know it doesn't seem to...)

We had Mac on a double-dose of DermCaps ES for about 6 weeks and now he's on the maintenance dosage of 1 cap BID. His coat is less oily and flaky, and much shinier. One of the vet techs actually commented on how great his coat looked last time we were there.

I really need to think about getting over to Vancouver for those tests, but the whole ordeal is most likely going to cost about $650 + so you may understand my hesitation...

That is OUTRAGEOUS! The test at my vet was only $160.

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Oh thanks for the update:) The more info we can share, the better!

That is so true! You're welcome. :D


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Postby Malli » April 5th, 2006, 3:42 pm

well, I do live in Canada, and this guy is a specialist... plus that amount covers the blood test PLUS a skin test and the consult with the specialist.....

so thats probably the price difference.

Do you guys have fee guidelines in the states? We do here, so I know they can't really over-charge me...

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Postby Marinepits » April 5th, 2006, 9:46 pm

Not sure about the guidelines -- probably not because there seems to be quite the price disparity between vets in my area.

You should see if your regular vet can do the blood serum test. I could have gone to a specialist, too, but went in baby steps first by having my regular vet do the test.

What kind of skin test are you getting?
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Postby Malli » April 6th, 2006, 3:27 am

msvette2u wrote:Copper (the doxie) has a Frito smell to his feet and within a week after a bath it has sort of spread up his chest. I wonder if this could be yeast? It smells mostly like Fritos. He's a hound. I've heard hounds are smelly. I have no clue!! :|


hey, I just read this, don't know how I missed it! Does he feel oily? If he has yeast, he'll start to smell kind of doughy, I'm not sure how to explain it other then that. If you take a damp cloth and wipe the area you're worried about, does rust colored oily stuff come off on the cloth??

I think a healthy hound should not be much smellier then a typical dog, lol...

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Postby Malli » April 6th, 2006, 3:32 am

Marinepits wrote:Not sure about the guidelines -- probably not because there seems to be quite the price disparity between vets in my area.

You should see if your regular vet can do the blood serum test. I could have gone to a specialist, too, but went in baby steps first by having my regular vet do the test.

Our regular vet thinks the best thing for us is the skin test, and he does not feel that either he or any other local doctors are qualified... He is not sure how conclusive a blood test would be, and if it ends up inconclusive, I think the specialist would want to do another at his office anyway :rolleyes2: I really do love our Vet, it is so clear to me that he really truly wants to get Oscar better :)

What kind of skin test are you getting?

I think its called a scratch test? The sedate the dog, shave a 7x7 inch patch of hair in his side, and scratch him with potential allergens and then observe the reaction, then according to the reaction it is decided how allergic the dog is.


I answered in your quote too :)

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Postby Marinepits » April 6th, 2006, 9:40 am

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Marinepits wrote:Not sure about the guidelines -- probably not because there seems to be quite the price disparity between vets in my area.

You should see if your regular vet can do the blood serum test. I could have gone to a specialist, too, but went in baby steps first by having my regular vet do the test.

Our regular vet thinks the best thing for us is the skin test, and he does not feel that either he or any other local doctors are qualified... He is not sure how conclusive a blood test would be, and if it ends up inconclusive, I think the specialist would want to do another at his office anyway :rolleyes2: I really do love our Vet, it is so clear to me that he really truly wants to get Oscar better :)

What kind of skin test are you getting?

I think its called a scratch test? The sedate the dog, shave a 7x7 inch patch of hair in his side, and scratch him with potential allergens and then observe the reaction, then according to the reaction it is decided how allergic the dog is.


I answered in your quote too :)

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We thought about getting the scratch test done, but went with the blood test first.

Glad to hear about your regular vet and that he wants the best for your Oscar!
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Postby msvette2u » July 18th, 2007, 9:51 am

On April 06 2006, Malli wrote:
msvette2u wrote:Copper (the doxie) has a Frito smell to his feet and within a week after a bath it has sort of spread up his chest. I wonder if this could be yeast? It smells mostly like Fritos. He's a hound. I've heard hounds are smelly. I have no clue!! :|


hey, I just read this, don't know how I missed it! Does he feel oily? If he has yeast, he'll start to smell kind of doughy, I'm not sure how to explain it other then that. If you take a damp cloth and wipe the area you're worried about, does rust colored oily stuff come off on the cloth??

I think a healthy hound should not be much smellier then a typical dog, lol...

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No, not oily, nor that yeasty smell.
I don't know why hounds smell stronger. I know some dogs do have excess body oils, often if they are a swimming variety.
I think he smells more frito-y as he has no hair to cover his skin, esp. on his underside!
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Postby call2arms » August 20th, 2008, 10:16 am

I know this thread is like 15 million years old, but anyone knows if you should be using the vinegar/peroxyde sln. on a hotspot caused by yeast infection (as in, it's itchy, and Jessie has been licking it incessantly - she has the e-collar on now...).

I figure vinegar would be painful since it's sore and red and oozy.
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Postby Marinepits » August 20th, 2008, 12:24 pm

call2arms wrote:I figure vinegar would be painful since it's sore and red and oozy.


The peroxide takes some of the "sting" out of the vinegar -- I tried it on one of my boo-boos when I mixed up a batch for Mac, and it didn't hurt nearly as much as I thought it would, LOL.
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