Maryellen wrote:if dogs didnt evolve from wolves, then where did they come from? if they didnt evolve from wolves, then the wolf behavior cant be used to compare them can it?
msvette2u wrote:OK -- so in this case a working dog, one trained to do bite work would be more inclined to use his teeth? But in a regular situation those are the dogs that don't make it out of the shelter, unless going into a specialized program, correct??
msvette2u wrote:I honestly think Yaeger is more dog than a household should own. He's got a huge working drive whatever that means, I mean he thrives on his "almost bite work" and can be almost dangerous to play with, but we love him and tolerate his drive. We were going to send him to police academy but backed out because he IS a good watch/guard dog.
But at the same time, he knows that he cannot display aggression secondary to his need to be dominant. When he was playing with Jeff that day that I snapped some pics, he was actually biting TOWARDS Jeff's shoulder and arm and not the toy itself. But he knows he cannot lay his teeth on us. He was showing alot of inhibition with regards to where his teeth were actually LANDING if not going.
I work with alot of K-9 officers, the ones with bite dogs, not drug dogs, and they are ALL "pussycats" who can be petted with the supervision of their handler. The most "unstable" ones I've met tend to be Malinois (whatever the plural is) and they aren't allowed to be petted! The GSD's I've met are all sweethearts and I've interacted with them.
Is he dominant or is he just a snot? Riggs is dominant and currently has no respect for my hands and bites them during play quite frequently. The result is that we don't play until I get help to stop the biting.
mnp13 wrote:From your description it sounds like that dog is trying to run the house. I'd get a handle on that sooner than later.
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/drives.html
http://www.volhard.com/training/cpp.htm
http://www.volhard.com/training/cpptest3.htm
Your dog's drives
Prey = 65
Pack = 55
Defense - Fight = 65
Defense - Flight = 5
I did Yaeger's drives. Some questions were too "limited" (He never pees when he meets new people)
http://www.digitaldog.com/behaviorintro.html
I almost learned this the hard way this weekend. There was a beautiful Malimute. When I was taking pictures he repeatedly came up to me and licked the camera, my face, my hands, leaned on you for attention, etc. I was itching his head and put my arm over him to get the other side. He started makeing the rumbly sound that Pits make when they are enjoying an ear rub. As soon as his owner heard it he wipped around and said "Don't do that!!!!!!" I immediately moved and missed a bite by about 3 inches. His teeth snapped shut just short of my arm. That was 100% my fault for misreading the dog and assuming that Malimutes had the same body language as Pit Bulls.
Maryellen wrote:the dog did give michelll a warning, he was growling/groaning at her, which she interpreted as loving his ear scratched, which wasnt the case... she stated that a few pages back... the dog DID give a warning, she just thought he was enjoying the ear rub with her hand over his back
I think this man was being very irresponsible. You did not say he gave you a warning prior to touching the dog, and it would have been pertinant to the story if he had, so one has to assume he gave none.
msvette2u wrote:I actually find it fascinating to see how many pack traits dogs possess. And wonder why they still need it when we take care of them, pack traits exist in a wolf pack for their own survival, while our pets rely on us to take care of them.
Just pondering.
Maryellen wrote:the dog did give michelll a warning, he was growling/groaning at her, which she interpreted as loving his ear scratched, which wasnt the case... she stated that a few pages back... the dog DID give a warning, she just thought he was enjoying the ear rub with her hand over his back
dogcrazyjen wrote:This dog would have nailed you had you not moved. This dog was out in public, being petted by an unwarned stranger. This is acceptable?
dogcrazyjen wrote:I think this man was being very irresponsible. You did not say he gave you a warning prior to touching the dog, and it would have been pertinant to the story if he had, so one has to assume he gave none.
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