TheRedQueen wrote:Where do you get your statistics, and what is the comparison to other breeds? I know a lot of people with dachshunds, and not many of them do any competition sporting events. Same goes for labradors, goldens, etc. What type of clubs are you referring to? I'm not clear.
On my side of things, I am seeing more and more pit bull type dogs running in flyball in our region...participation has gone up, not down around here. Most are rescues however...and are usually just labeled "pit bull".
Pit♥Bull wrote:Just spamming his site again
dlynne1123 wrote:I agree with Red Queen, here in Maine, I rarely see Amstaffs. Most events I've gone to are UKC, and I don't see AmStaffs going both ways, and my APBT isn't allowed to go AKC. In these events my older APBT was in conformation with always 5 or 6 others. In these UKC events I see a handful in the conformation, but most are in Weight Pull or Rally events, for fun, and are not breeding dogs. I see UKC as more open minded and more rescued labeled pit bulls are involved, aka All Americans. I have only been to one AKC event where i was welcomed with my 'All American' for Rally. She is however papered APBT. Is this the club conflict you are referring to?
My associate trainer has an AKC amstaff but enters in more events that are UKC, or APDT not AKC, and not sure as to what she is registered as, is only in sporting events, not conformation.
There is not much really involved in Pit Bull Conformation so it does not really reflect negatively on the owners (in their perception) if they do not place.
Statistics I get from field research. I attend as many shows as can and observe the amount of participation in each event.
TheRedQueen wrote:I'm more confused than ever...
so you're just making up stats...based on what you've seen in your area...in one specific type of club (which I'm still not sure of what type that is)...
Please review the original post. There was no mention of other breeds. All stats are developed through observation and research. Yes this is one specific type club, those dedicated to the Pit Bull and Am Staff. This is not unique to my area but is based on research nationwide.
Why would I want to waste my time on a spammer. Your time could be better spent improving your pathetic website rather than spamming for membership.AmericanSuprDog wrote:Pit♥Bull wrote:Just spamming his site again
Are any of your posts more than one liner post pollution? Now I see how you get your high post count. No substance just belittling the efforts of others. Instead of being pessimistic how about adding some constructive comments. No one forces you to participate in the show itself of you do not wish but if you wish to participate in a post maybe you could start by answering questions that were asked?
TheRedQueen wrote:Please review the original post. There was no mention of other breeds. All stats are developed through observation and research. Yes this is one specific type club, those dedicated to the Pit Bull and Am Staff. This is not unique to my area but is based on research nationwide.
I did review the original post, I read it three times to be exact, and skimmed it a few more...because I still didn't understand. Now I have a college degree, my father is a professor...so I do have a clue about reading and proofreading...and your post still makes little sense to me.
If you had just said..."in my opinion" or "generally"...then I wouldn't be nitpicking...but since you included percentages, I had to ask. This is the reason that people are leary of trusting statistics...because people like you just pull them out of thin air. Just because you want to prove something (still not sure what you're exactly trying to prove...after wading through your wordy post)...does not mean you get to make crap up.
copperlegend wrote:They've done studies, you know. 60% of the time, it works every time.
SisMorphine wrote:What sort of clubs are you talking about? Are you talking about OB clubs? Sports clubs in general? Or specifically AKC/UKC affiliated clubs?
TheRedQueen wrote:I did review the original post, I read it three times to be exact, and skimmed it a few more...because I still didn't understand. Now I have a college degree, my father is a professor...so I do have a clue about reading and proofreading...and your post still makes little sense to me.
If you had just said..."in my opinion" or "generally"...then I wouldn't be nitpicking...but since you included percentages, I had to ask. This is the reason that people are leary of trusting statistics...because people like you just pull them out of thin air. Just because you want to prove something (still not sure what you're exactly trying to prove...after wading through your wordy post)...does not mean you get to make crap up.
Pit♥Bull wrote:Why would I want to waste my time on a spammer. Your time could be better spent improving your pathetic website rather than spamming for membership.
dlynne1123 wrote:SisMorphine wrote:What sort of clubs are you talking about? Are you talking about OB clubs? Sports clubs in general? Or specifically AKC/UKC affiliated clubs?
As a member of a dissolved club, reducing fees does not bring more peoPle but limits the money a club makes on an event. As former club secretary, event insurance and membership fees keep it running. We had to increase membership fees to accomodate insurance just to hold events to break even. Venues are competing for weekends as it is. Being a UKC club in itself is trying with requirements to stay active. In NE where it's hard to find events we regularly travel 4 plus hours for one qualifying run or two rally runs. It's the love if the sports that brings the people, not the conformation. As most entries are neutered rescued dogs.
furever_pit wrote:I am confused by your post as well. What exactly is your point?
I suggest you go out to straight working events. Stop worrying about whether it is an APBT club or an AmStaff club or if it is AKC or UKC or what the heck ever else. Just go to a working show, period. Ever been to some of the working shows that are advertised as being for the American Bulldog? There are undoubtedly APBT that show up there and compete in the events being held.
When I lived in FL I went a few ADBA shows and while they weren't huge or anything, there was good attendance and I always saw dogs competing in (and learning about) weight pull. Never saw any protection work at these shows, but that is their perogative.
As for weight pull, agility, protection, flyball or anything else being anything close to testing for gameness like the pit....that's a laugh. They still test aspects of the dog for sure, I won't argue that. I mean, that's part of the point - to test your dog. But your dog's performance in any other venue will never tell you what a game test would.
I see no business promoted, I have a link to a non profit organization in my signature that provides more service to animals and Pitbulls in one day than you will provide in a lifetime.AmericanSuprDog wrote:Pit♥Bull wrote:Why would I want to waste my time on a spammer. Your time could be better spent improving your pathetic website rather than spamming for membership.
Once again one liner post pollution. How are your posts any more than spam? You promote your own business in your posts? Seems like the pot calling the kettle black. It is obvious you are a person full of issues against what others are doing yet have no solutions of your own.
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