DemoDick wrote:It would probably be more constructive to get involved with an established training club. Someone is bound to have a yard available.
For most of us, the very best thing we can do is work on teaching our Pits to consciously ignore other dogs and work on handler focus. The best place to do that is in a club with others who have experience teaching the same thing.
Demo Dick
Megumi-Oni wrote:Furthermore, "For most of us, the very best thing we can do is work on teaching our Pits to consciously ignore other dogs and work on handler focus." completely goes against your previous stance of "you can't train instinct out of your dog." Which one is it... training? Or just accepting the genetically predetermined fate? You can't have both!
Megumi-Oni wrote:No one else can ever be right, or have a decent idea with you, huh?
Like... I make a reasonable suggestion that seems to be in the "right" direction, and you STILL say it's wrong? What's with you man!?
You're totally some kind of Type-A Alpha Male dominant person, huh?
It's cool. I'm ignoring you now that I've established that you oppose for the sake of opposition, rather than recognizing a compromise when you see it.
Furthermore, "For most of us, the very best thing we can do is work on teaching our Pits to consciously ignore other dogs and work on handler focus." completely goes against your previous stance of "you can't train instinct out of your dog." Which one is it... training? Or just accepting the genetically predetermined fate? You can't have both!
mnp13 wrote:Training can override instinct, but it doesn't make that instinct go away. It doesn't "fix" the problem, and when the training gets lax the problem returns. If the dog doesn't respect the handler, the problem returns. There are a lot of things that will bring the problem back up to the surface. It's instinct, it's there.
Megumi-Oni wrote:Thank you for asserting the point I tried to make (poorly, I admit) before. It's nice to know my mind was in the right place, but my words didn't translate that effectively.
I think the point I failed to mention that I recognized is that at a park, it isn't always "obedience mode" with every dog. This point I will completely and strongly agree on. The part I got a little miffed about is that it seemed like the consensus was that regardless of obedience mode or not, you can't distract a dog from its instinct. Clearly, by the "bite training" I've looked at, you can. Can you do it 100% of the time you're at a dog park in a larger crowd? No. Absolutely not. And I think that is a point a lot of you missed about me that could have caused you to react the way you did... and I didn't do well to make that point apparent to you initially. So, I'm sorry for leaving that critical detail out.
Thanks! Good feedback so far!
furever_pit wrote:Megumi-Oni wrote:Thank you for asserting the point I tried to make (poorly, I admit) before. It's nice to know my mind was in the right place, but my words didn't translate that effectively.
I think the point I failed to mention that I recognized is that at a park, it isn't always "obedience mode" with every dog. This point I will completely and strongly agree on. The part I got a little miffed about is that it seemed like the consensus was that regardless of obedience mode or not, you can't distract a dog from its instinct. Clearly, by the "bite training" I've looked at, you can. Can you do it 100% of the time you're at a dog park in a larger crowd? No. Absolutely not. And I think that is a point a lot of you missed about me that could have caused you to react the way you did... and I didn't do well to make that point apparent to you initially. So, I'm sorry for leaving that critical detail out.
Thanks! Good feedback so far!
Explain. In what way is bite training distracting a dog from its instinct? I'm just not really clear on what you are referring to exactly.
Also, "bite training" is not typically a natural instinct for bulldogs. In fact, many bulldogs need to overcome a mental conflict - the one that tells them NOT to bite people. For example, I had to work my dog Dylan through this conflict. Biting a tug was fun to him, biting a pillow was fun too, but at first biting a sleeve on a person just blew his mind. He wasn't sure he was doing the right thing. But, nonetheless we have overcome this. If I wanted a dog with the natural instinct to do bite work you would find me with a Malinois (which I do want).
But I do agree about the whole "obedience mode" thing being able to intervene with a dog's natural instincts to fight another dog. I'll use Dylan for another example here: There is a Mal named Darth at the old club that I trained at. Dylan and Darth HATED each other. They wanted to fight and they behaved like snarky buttholes to one another if they were not in "obedience mode". Nonetheless, the other dog's handler and I could have our dogs lay down next to one another and not have a problem. It's the same reason I can down my dog in the middle of his walk, take his leash, and go collect a neighbor's dog that is running around while it's owner is frantically (and unsuccessfully) trying to catch it. It is called training.
Megumi-Oni wrote:The conflicting info is a little dizzying, I'm sorry. You said "In fact, many bulldogs need to overcome a mental conflict - the one that tells them NOT to bite people." but everyone else seems to assert that a pit WILL bite, regardless. I'm really confused... is a pit naturally prone to biting, as previous posts indicated, or does a pit have to be trained to overcome his instinct NOT to bite?
Thanks!
furever_pit wrote:Megumi-Oni wrote:The conflicting info is a little dizzying, I'm sorry. You said "In fact, many bulldogs need to overcome a mental conflict - the one that tells them NOT to bite people." but everyone else seems to assert that a pit WILL bite, regardless. I'm really confused... is a pit naturally prone to biting, as previous posts indicated, or does a pit have to be trained to overcome his instinct NOT to bite?
Thanks!
I'm not sure what previous posts you are indicating...maybe it is because all of your threads are running together?
Also, if you are talking about a Pit Bull being trained to overcome his instinct not to bite other dogs that is totally different from doing any bite work with a decoy. Biting a dog has nothing to do with biting a person, and vice versa.
katiek0417 wrote:
And regardless of whether I own pits, or not, I will say that you can manage dog aggression.
amazincc wrote:katiek0417 wrote:
And regardless of whether I own pits, or not, I will say that you can manage dog aggression.
Yup. I think I'm on my way to doing that w/my two... *sigh*
We have our own backyard "dog park", but the boys need to be separated lately... can't imagine taking either one (or both) to a public dog park and letting them loose.
madremissy wrote:My two would argue with each other because the other one made a new friend.
katiek0417 wrote:madremissy wrote:My two would argue with each other because the other one made a new friend.
ROFL
I love you, Missy!
Megumi-Oni wrote:DemoDick wrote:It would probably be more constructive to get involved with an established training club. Someone is bound to have a yard available.
For most of us, the very best thing we can do is work on teaching our Pits to consciously ignore other dogs and work on handler focus. The best place to do that is in a club with others who have experience teaching the same thing.
Demo Dick
No one else can ever be right, or have a decent idea with you, huh? Like... I make a reasonable suggestion that seems to be in the "right" direction, and you STILL say it's wrong? What's with you man!? You're totally some kind of Type-A Alpha Male dominant person, huh?
It's cool. I'm ignoring you now that I've established that you oppose for the sake of opposition, rather than recognizing a compromise when you see it.
Furthermore, "For most of us, the very best thing we can do is work on teaching our Pits to consciously ignore other dogs and work on handler focus." completely goes against your previous stance of "you can't train instinct out of your dog." Which one is it... training? Or just accepting the genetically predetermined fate? You can't have both!
cheekymunkee wrote:
You REALLY need to pop a valium or two & chill out a bit. Demo doent agree with you, the world will not end because of it. He doesnt agree with me on a lot of things either, who gives a crap. Oh noes!!! I did it again!!!!!
By the way, have you posted pics of your dog yet? i ADORE boxers, whether you believe me or not
Megumi-Oni wrote:cheekymunkee wrote:Did she not get the memo that we've moved on to greener pastures, and we're now in Happy land? I mean really... why swat a hornets nest again?
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