On December 02 2006, mnp13 wrote:I think the main part of this post is a training issue, so I moved it.
Strange situation + hyper kid + pluss major stress + pain from being jumped on = unhappy dog. I'm sorry he growled and snapped, but obviously, Knuckles could have connected if he wanted to. He didn't want to, but he wanted to communicate that he had had enough.
Though I understand your correction, it may have been to much for him, creating the submissive peeing around your son. I'm also sure that your body language around him because of being unsure is being read by your dog and that is making it worse.
I posted about a similar problem with Riggs here: http://www.pitbulltalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=7315 Some of the suggestions given there may help you with Knuckles.
Before this happened, how did he normally interact with the kids? Are your dogs crate trained?
On December 03 2006, Romanwild wrote:I think this type of thing is impossible to diagnose over the internet. Can you find some qualifies trainers or behaviorists to help you in person?
On December 04 2006, 22:28, luvmyangels wrote:I went to the vet earlier tonight. The vet and I had a really long talk before she looked him over to determine whether or not he should still stay in our home.
She also felt I should lower his protein level and be sure I had rescue remedy in the house.
On December 04 2006, mnp13 wrote:On December 04 2006, 22:28, luvmyangels wrote:I went to the vet earlier tonight. The vet and I had a really long talk before she looked him over to determine whether or not he should still stay in our home.
I don't understand this? Is your vet a dog trainer as well as being a medical doctor?She also felt I should lower his protein level and be sure I had rescue remedy in the house.
I understand the rescue remedy, but why would you lower his protein?
On Mon, Dec 04 2006, 10:28 PM, luvmyangels wrote:I went to the vet earlier tonight. The vet and I had a really long talk before she looked him over to determine whether or not he should still stay in our home. She felt at this point he should be ok. There is definitely something going on with his back when she touched it he stopped breathing and turned to look at her. She said you can see his back is up high and his legs are straight but she said he is still growing since his plates weren't closed yet. But also said his back was off. We are having x-rays done on him on Monday. They are doing a pelvic and lumbar x-ray which I got an estimate for which he will have to be put under for and it will cost around $300. She told me to start giving him K9 Conquer which I just bought there because she thought it would be good to start shoveling it into him. She also felt I should lower his protein level and be sure I had rescue remedy in the house.
On December 05 2006, SisMorphine wrote:What is K9 Conquer? I've never heard if it . . .
And one of the vets I used to work with, in fact one of my favorite vets, had training experience. But whenever I heard her dole out training advice it all completely wrong, made me cringe.
And for once I agree with lowering a dog's protein. LOL! Though obviously not a great long term idea, if he did hurt his back and you need to keep him calm feeding him more fillers and less protein will make him lazy as hell. Though I would do that as a last resort, and I would start to put 10 drops of RR in his water each day (I've found that RR works best when used over a period of time and NOT as a quick fix), and also get some Valerian Root to add to his food.
On December 05 2006, SisMorphine wrote:Re: Arnica
The use of Arnica (as far as I know it) is homeopathic. Rescue Remedy and Valarian are holistic. Trust me, there's a difference . . . which I doubt I'll be able to concisely explain but I'll give a quick jab at it.
In Homeopathy you can have two people come in with the same exact symptoms: a fever of 100 and vomiting, yet they will go home with two completely different remedies. That is because homeopathy treats the body as a whole, so to decide what remedy to give a person they must also know other things about the person from things like other illnesses, to what side of the bed they sleep on. Seriously. So for one person/animal Arnica may be perfect for, say, calming them down or easy pain, for another it would have a completely different effect. Homeopathic medicine is holistic, but not all holistic remedies are homeopathic.
Now with Valerian (a root that is crushed into powder to be used as a supplement) and Rescue Remedy (a flower essence) they are used for a few specific things. Personally I would skip the Arnica unless you bring him to a homeopath and they tell you to use it. I would do the Valerian, the Rescue Remedy, or both depending on if you see him calming down or not. I have personally found Valerian to work more on my muscles and physical relaxation and the Rescue Remedy to work more on my mental relaxation, but it can affect other people, and animals, slightly differently, but not to the intense degree of difference that I homeopathic remedy can.
I sure hope that made sense. Man am I tired today!!
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