On September 04 2007, 5:21 PM, gayrghts wrote:How do you use it to motivate?
I can see how to use it to correct....
On September 04 2007, 8:20 PM, Romanwild wrote:I think they are a training tool like any other and if used properly, fairly and intelligently are as good as any other.
I was curious about them so I put Michelle's on my neck and hit the button. I did the point that I felt it. I can't remember what number that was but I know it was lower then what I needed when I put it on Dreyfus!
When I tried it on Dreyfus it was to work on his off leash recall. I knew that he completley understood the command but was being selective as to when he would obey it.
Three corrections with the collar 2 years ago and his recall is still better then it was before the collar. I'm not kidding.
and michelle- whether we call it a ecollar, dogtra, or a banana, we all know what it is and what it does, so while it's one thing to say that to a customer to make them feel more comfortable with a tool that sounds offputting but perhaps isn't (like a pinch or prong collar or choke chain), i don't feel like there is a need for euphemisms here (on this board). it's a collar that delivers shocks, not "e's" hugs and kisses!
to me, a correction is something a dog understands, a shock is something a dog fears.
On September 05 2007, 8:43 AM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:katie- can you please describe what you mean by "motivational tool"?
On September 05 2007, 11:16, brooksybrooks1 wrote:i'm not intentionally trying to put emotion into the thread. to be honest, that's just what i call them, mostly because that's what they are.
i think that word "shock" conjures up emotional responses in a lot of people, but i put this in the sports section where i think mostly people who have experience with them, as well as other methods, hang out. so i didn't think it would be a big deal, we all know what i'm talking about. .
On September 05 2007, 10:27 AM, mnp13 wrote:On September 05 2007, 11:16, brooksybrooks1 wrote:i'm not intentionally trying to put emotion into the thread. to be honest, that's just what i call them, mostly because that's what they are.
just as choke chains are suted to momentarily strangle the dog, and prong collars stab into the dog. It's "what they are" but that's not how we refer to them.i think that word "shock" conjures up emotional responses in a lot of people, but i put this in the sports section where i think mostly people who have experience with them, as well as other methods, hang out. so i didn't think it would be a big deal, we all know what i'm talking about. .
Actually, I just came in here to move the thread to training.
On September 05 2007, 10:17 AM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:so katie, when you say motivational, you mean you're using it for a correction just like you would do with a leash, you don't mean you are shocking the dog as a "stimulation" before or as you tell them to do something, right?
On September 05 2007, 10:51 AM, katiek0417 wrote:On September 05 2007, 10:17 AM, brooksybrooks1 wrote:so katie, when you say motivational, you mean you're using it for a correction just like you would do with a leash, you don't mean you are shocking the dog as a "stimulation" before or as you tell them to do something, right?
It's NOT a correction. A correction is a quick event. A pop with the prong collar...takes a second...a hard correction with the e-collar takes a second....
This is ongoing until she does what I want. Right now we're just "shaping" the behaviors...letting her know that the discomfort goes away as soon as she does what I want...once she fully understands that, we'll start putting in the commands. So, she gets command, and as she does, the tapping will start...sooner she does what I say, the sooner the tapping stops...
Think about it this way:
Let's say you have a job where you constantly have tasks that must be done. Your boss continuously nags you about whether you've finished the task. Is the nagging painful and quick? or is it ongoing and frustrating, and a pain in the a$$? For most people, it's the second thing. So, you finally finish the task, and your boss stops nagging you. Ahhh, relief. A good thing. The following week, your boss gives you another task. You remember that the last time you put it off, your boss started nagging you, which was annoying. So, this time, you get it done much faster. You were MOTIVATED to do the task because you wanted to avoid being nagged...
Same concepts, except a dog doesn't understand when you sit there and verbally nag them, right? So, you need to use another method to nag them...that's really all you're using the e-collar for...a nag...to get them to do something, and to get them to do it faster...
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