What Defines a Non Reputable Rescue?

[LindsaySF]

Oh, he's such a good boy, too. Hopefully he'll get adopted quickly? Maybe we can all promote him and try to get him adopted and away from Eric asap?

Hell I'd foster him myself if I thought Eric would ever give him to me...

I'm waiting for Liz to reply to me about Victor. She hasn't replied in a while so I'm worried that she is taking this Victor news very hard. She worked SO hard for Victor, harder than I did for Brutus... I want to help her and Victor now in any way I can...


~Lindsay~

[LindsaySF]

That is what I saw as well when I met Eric but when I called him on it I was called a liar and was bashed and trashed so bad, and had so much poop made up about me in order to discredit me that everywhere I went online people hated me.

I'm sorry people were mean to you.

When was this? Which dog was it?


~Lindsay~

[rockermom]

Ok I figured I better say something before I get cought up in all this stuff since I can still be seen over there on occasion. I found the said rescue through petfinder back in the fall when I was looking to adopt/rescue a Puppy after a brief bad experience with an adult dog. I had no intentions of adopting a dog of pitbull breed but was not ruling it out. I had actually inquired about one of the dogs on the site but LUCKY for me from what I am reading found my guy a few weeks later in the shelter. Went back to the rescue site desperate for info on how to raise a pup of bull breed. Joined the forum and asked questions and got lots of help from many people. Much of the controversy I missed or did not understand what was being talked about and ignored most of it. Since I have never personally seen any of this stuff that is going on with my own eyes only words and pictures, I have chosen not to judge anyone on either side. However after reading this thread I am getting a bit worried about where all these pictures of puppies I have seen in the past 6 months have come from. I had a hard time to find friggen puppies in shelters. I looked at many in my area. Took a shelter with over 500 dogs to find a puppy. Anyway if anyone wants to take a look at what a nice reputable wonderful Rescue is take a look at where I had to send my adult girl who did not work out. Not a pit but does not matter. Look at what this place has. And oh look they are having an open house for renovation.
http://dru.org/ I must refer everyone to this reputable rescue in order to redeem myself of the pain of having to give up on my beutiful girl.

Oh Houlabulla I'm so sorry. ***HUGS***

It sounds like you did the best thing for her though! And I'm so happy she was adopted. DRU sounds like a wonderful place. You picked a good one to take her.

I wouldn't post about this on pbsmiles though. They might attack you for being a bad owner.


~Lindsay~

Never really told my story there. Never felt comfortable about it. Thank you for the hugs. Thanks all for understanding. I have a family and that was not a family dog.

[Purple]

$265 per pup x 36 puppies adopted out = $9,540 = new house, toys, vehicles...

$265 per pup x 18 puppies =$4,770 to be collected = more stuff for self, house, toys, vehicles, etc....

Dear god, how can anyone left over there not understand this?

[Verderben]

if you look on his website look at ALL the puppies he has placed in the past 4 years.. count them all... then take the total amount of pups he has placed and x $265 per pup.. he is making a fortune.... and doesnt care about anything else... where do you think he is getting the money for his new house, many vehicles, many atv's, etc?? not from his salary thats for sure..

I can tell that there are litters that *I* personally know of and SAW that he does NOT have listed on his site. Makes ya wonder just how many there are that are NOT listed.........

[Jaime]

aren't you leaving out one important detail? costs associated with their upkeep and s/n... that leaves very little to offset emergency vet bill reimbursements, and cost of adult fosters... gimme a break people

[Verderben]

That is what I saw as well when I met Eric but when I called him on it I was called a liar and was bashed and trashed so bad, and had so much poop made up about me in order to discredit me that everywhere I went online people hated me.

I'm sorry people were mean to you.

When was this? Which dog was it?


~Lindsay~

It was about 2 - 3 years ago. The dog was Buddah

[Sue]

aren't you leaving out one important detail? costs associated with their upkeep and s/n... that leaves very little to offset emergency vet bill reimbursements, and cost of adult fosters... gimme a break people

What vet bills? They don't go to the vet. Whenever vet visits are brought up he freaks out. You mean trying to use "connections" to get people to write scripts for him? Or buying meds off the internet? What costs for the adult fosters? The raw food (if that's even what they eat) that he is a dealer for? Come on, give ME a break.

[savagem]

As much as I am sickened by Eric and the way that he treats other human beings, I have to admit that I'm not convinced (yet) that he is really making a bundle of money on his rescues. I have pulled, fostered, and adopted out quite a few dogs on my own, and only one single time did I actually break even. Course I only charge $150.00 for a fee normally, but still. I mean, when you factor in the cost of spay and neuter, vaccines, wormings, microchip (which spbr does, but I do not), food--I've always been left in the hole, except for that one time when the dog had NO parasites, NO fleas, no skin condition, no kennel cough. Nearly every dog that I have pulled has had kennel cough. And when you're talking about a dog that already has a compromised immune system due to stress, parasites, whatever--my vet has always found it prudent to medicate with antibiotics. And God forbid you end up with a dog with heartworm (which I have), or Parvo breaks out in your pups (thank god never happened to me). I mean, then you're talking upwards of $500.00 to well over a couple of thousand. And that's not even considering what it costs to buy paper towels, bleach, other cleaning agents--especially when you're talking about puppies. The only way I can see that he'd make money on the rescue is if he makes a practice of screwing over fosters (I've never seen evidence of this), or if he gets so many donations that they pay for a good deal of the costs and adoption fees are icing on the cake. There are many, many negative things that I can think of to hold against Eric and SPBR. But this one keeps being mentioned, and I'm just not convinced that it is a valid point.

[savagem]

aren't you leaving out one important detail? costs associated with their upkeep and s/n... that leaves very little to offset emergency vet bill reimbursements, and cost of adult fosters... gimme a break people

What vet bills? They don't go to the vet. Whenever vet visits are brought up he freaks out. You mean trying to use "connections" to get people to write scripts for him? Or buying meds off the internet? What costs for the adult fosters? The raw food (if that's even what they eat) that he is a dealer for? Come on, give ME a break.

But the point that everyone keeps bringing up is that he "brokers" puppies. That the majority of dogs he adopts out are puppies. And the puppies are spayed and neutered before adoption. And they are wormed at regular intervals. And they are vaccinated appropriately, from what I've seen. Again, I detest many things about SPBR, but I just don't see it being a money-making venture, as everyone keeps saying. Maybe a tiny bit of the Kool-Aid is still lingering in my system or something. But I just don't see it.

[Jaime]

do you think it is free for him to feed his adult fosters? i mean vaccines even on the internet cost money-- what is the harm in administering them yourself? i vaccinate my own horses, all besides rabies and i can't pull a coggins

there is a lot of bitterness here and i will not point fingers just yet-- and it is for a variety of reasons- none of which have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

who cares who eric sleeps with, people? he is a single guy and has the god given right to do what he pleases in his personal life. you can say all you want that he does so to get these people to foster dogs but have you ever once considered that the few that are complaining from "actual experience" have just fostered in order to get his attention and try to get closer to him? that is poor and in effect they are using him. it is truly unfortunate that these people were supposed to be his friends.

mel- have you told everyone why you quit there? i can copy and paste it but i won't. we ripped into you for keeping those pups in cold temps in your garage-- you didn't want to sacrifice your house... i could go on and on.


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[a-bull]

In rescues that are non-profit, all donations, expenses, etc. are accounted for, so you can usually get a clear picture what money comes in and how much goes out.

[Maryellen]

alot of erics speuters are donated by some of the vets he uses.. yes, he does self vaccinate the pups, but that is peanuts when you buy online.. Jaimie, explain to me how he is not making money.... his overhead is LOW ., he is a raw distributor and gets a discount on food, he also feeds cheap kibble, and you still think he is not making any money here?? even if he had to pay for speuters, the one vet he uses charges $60 so that leaves $205 to play with, take out $50 for a supply of vaccines from the internet, and that is still $145 left.. multiply that by the number of puppies he has adopted... and adults? he has adopted out a handful only, the rest of the dogs are strictly puppies... and i dont care who he sleeps with, i care about the number of dogs he is pushing.. did you know that if you adopt out more then 50 dogs a year you MUST by law get a kennel license?? gee, why is he not registered with the state of ny yet??? he adopted out 32 dogs in a matter of weeks, and you dont think there is anything wrong with that?? i have a foster puppy in my care right now that i have had for amonth.. and i stil have him.. 4 1/2 months old, still got him.. yet eric can adopt out pups in 2 weekends???? there is obviously something wrong here.. some people cant see it, and i am sorry.. some can.. explain to me how he gets to adopt out 32 puppies in a 2 weekend span, yet i have a perfect 100% pup here that i cant adopt out because all 22 apps on him were crap.. you mean to tell me eric has these magical apps that are all perfect??

[Marty]

anyone can make a buck on a dog.. he goes to the extreme... if you look on his website look at ALL the puppies he has placed in the past 4 years.. count them all... then take the total amount of pups he has placed and x $265 per pup.. he is making a fortune.... and doesnt care about anything else... where do you think he is getting the money for his new house, many vehicles, many atv's, etc?? not from his salary thats for sure..

Man this is what I need to do, sounds like a get rich quick scheme, NOT!, I would rather starve to death then do do some sick s**t like this

[LindsaySF]

Well I'm on the fence on this one too. Seeing the figures added up really shocked me, but now that I think about it, I don't see any evidence that he is making a bundle of money, not yet. (See Jaime, Melanie and I ARE capable of not jumping to conclusions, despite your treatment of us).

I don't know what discounts (if any) he gets for spaying/neutering at whatever vet he uses, and ordering vaccines and medications online. I'm sure he is saving a ton of money by not going to the vet very often (won't get charged for office visits), but even buying these supplies costs money. And he does drive around a lot, and gas is expensive. Until I know for a fact what he is spending versus what he is taking in in adoption fees, I'm on the fence here.

UNLESS he refuses to reimburse the foster he owes $3,000 for the Parvo treatment. Then that will be all I need to hear, and I will be convinced he is just in it for the money. As it is, I find it VERY suspicious that he refuses to help out with her travel expenses.

Jaime, if some of the people here are wrong in their perceptions of Eric, please do enlighten us. Since you are still friends with Eric (and have not been banned from his forum), can you ask him what he spends on the supplies he buys? I'm more than willing to hear his side of the story, if he is willing to give it. And he won't be banned from this forum for disagreeing with us either. We're better people than that.


~Lindsay~

As much as I am sickened by Eric and the way that he treats other human beings, I have to admit that I'm not convinced (yet) that he is really making a bundle of money on his rescues. I have pulled, fostered, and adopted out quite a few dogs on my own, and only one single time did I actually break even. Course I only charge $150.00 for a fee normally, but still. I mean, when you factor in the cost of spay and neuter, vaccines, wormings, microchip (which spbr does, but I do not), food--I've always been left in the hole, except for that one time when the dog had NO parasites, NO fleas, no skin condition, no kennel cough. Nearly every dog that I have pulled has had kennel cough. And when you're talking about a dog that already has a compromised immune system due to stress, parasites, whatever--my vet has always found it prudent to medicate with antibiotics. And God forbid you end up with a dog with heartworm (which I have), or Parvo breaks out in your pups (thank god never happened to me). I mean, then you're talking upwards of $500.00 to well over a couple of thousand. And that's not even considering what it costs to buy paper towels, bleach, other cleaning agents--especially when you're talking about puppies. The only way I can see that he'd make money on the rescue is if he makes a practice of screwing over fosters (I've never seen evidence of this), or if he gets so many donations that they pay for a good deal of the costs and adoption fees are icing on the cake. There are many, many negative things that I can think of to hold against Eric and SPBR. But this one keeps being mentioned, and I'm just not convinced that it is a valid point.

[Jaime]

actually maryellen, i hate to burst your bubble, but you are completely wrong and i know this for a fact.

reimbursments to fosters include s/n food, etc so long as reciepts are kept. savagem-- you know this

with that being said, the s/n's are handled by fosters and then reimbursed. that does cost money.. a lot. let's do it your way... 10 puppies x 75-85.00 for s/n. not to mention that my pups are all being fed natures variety. i go through 2 bags a week. hmmm 50.00 per bag 100.00 a week in food... he also has adult dog being fostered and we all know that they are not adopted out quickly usually- what offsets those costs??? that's right-- nothing. you hope to god you get a donation or 2 to help.

as for applications. you would not believe the traffic that site gets. probably because he does an excellent job with it. there are sh*t loads of lousy applications and lots of great ones. you do a lot of wading through mud, really-- i don't think that is easy either.

so where do you get your facts? i personally foster for that rescue and would do it again in a heartbeat. probably because i do it for the right reasons. i am not chasing someones tail. i do it for the dogs-

[savagem]

mel- have you told everyone why you quit there? i can copy and paste it but i won't. we ripped into you for keeping those pups in cold temps in your garage-- you didn't want to sacrifice your house... i could go on and on.


.[/quote]

Jaime, why don't you tell everyone why I quit there? I'd be interested in hearing your story. And the reason that I took in Susie and pups was that Eric made it sound as though they were in desperate trouble if I didn't. That's it. And I couldn't give a rat's hiney what you all are doing over there right now. Those pups are happy and healthy, and I know the real reason why they are in the garage, and so does everyone that I care about, which doesn't include anyone on pbsmiles. And yes, there was a time when I wanted to be close to Eric. I've never hidden that from anyone. But that time is long over. And HE had nothing to do with why I took in Susie and her pups. Geez, I was even trying to defend the ONE part of Eric's rescue that I still believe is defensible. Forget that.

[cheekymunkee]

You don't see the new house? cars? Other toys?

I can vet all 3 of my dogs & 4 of my cats for around $20. I can get rabies shots for $6 a piece. It's all in knowing where to go. There are feed stores & tractor supply stores in every state. There are reduced price rabies clinics every where.

I am not a rescue nor am I affiliated with one, I don;t get any discounts. I pay the same as every other customer that walks in the door.

Don't fool yourselves, he is making a killing.

[Sue]

Here's a breakdown for ya... rounded up

Vacc's - 25 doses $70 = $3 per vaccine

Wormer's - $30 for 16oz. say 2 teaspoons for a 20 lb dog, that's 48 doses.
$1.00 per dog

Chips - $25 for the chip, new owners register it. And I believe he had a ton of chips donated to him.

Speuter - $100 or less for low cost. He was pissed off when he couldn't get all the puppies fixed at the low cost place when D had Lila's pups.

And that equals... $129, round up to $150. That leaves $115.



These puppies do not see a vet until they are brought to be fixed and then they are only fixed. They are pulled from municipal shelters and immediately put into a foster home. Tell me how that is safe? For the puppies and any resident dogs the foster has? What vet records do these pups have to say what vacc's they received? None... so when they go to the adopter and the adopter brings them to the vet for the first time, they will have to get the vacc's all over again...

[cheekymunkee]

Oh......and the vacs I get are already mixed & in the vial along with a syringe. unmixed I am sure I could save even more.