What Defines a Non Reputable Rescue?

[savagem]

A non-reputable rescue advises foster-homes to have their puppies speutered before they are fully-vaccinated. And when they come down with Parvo at the vet, a non-reputable rescue lets them handle it on their own--emotionally, physically, and financially. And then a non-reputable rescue tells said foster that they must wait to be reimbursed for the thousands of dollars in vet bills that they were forced to put on their credit card until the puppies are adopted out. A non-reputable rescue adopts out three of the pups in question and STILL doesn't reimburse the foster for expenses.

Just wanted to add, that I truly didn't come over here to bash said rescue. I came to get support to handle Susie and her litter, first and foremost. My biggest concern with this rescue was the way that people were treated, like the foster person described above. Inexcusable.

[Maryellen]

a non reputable rescue will pull a dog from a shelter, and that same day drive the dog to a new adoptive home without keeping the dog in a foster home for 30 days to evaluate the dogs temperment.

a non reputable rescue will give a foster home that has no experience with a momma dog and new born pups to foster.

[KaylasMomJenn]

Well in all fairness, Mel is going through a divorce, too, but it doesn't seem like her situation is as sticky as mine was.

He had only dumped one other dog off on me during the time I was fostering Jasmine. I told Geneia also, that him, not knowing Marshmallow, brought Jasmine in without a leash and let them run around like wild freaks, luckily, Marshmallow is extremely friendly with other dogs and just played, but when he brought Ingi, I then had 3 female dogs loose at one time for first time introduction, and Ingi kept trying to throw down with both of my dogs. (She was also very water and food aggressive.)

Back to the thread, though, Susie was good with Marshmallow and Jasmine side-by-side, but more than a handful of times, when Marshmallow would get on the couch, jump on me, or go near the food dish, Susie would go after her. She even caught her lip once. Marshmallow just looked at her like "you idiot what is your problem!" so there was never a fight-thank god.

I had a ton of help willing for those puppies I have watched Joelle (husband, ex husband whatever) raise at least 5 litters so I have seen a lot of it-plus we have a family friend who is a vet.

Thanks again, Mel.

[KaylasMomJenn]

so as to add:
A non reputable rescuer takes on much more than they can handle, and keeps numerous dogs at a time, even when they can't manage them all.

A non reputable rescuer doesn't give foster dogs their necessary vaccines before sending them to a foster home with other dogs.

A non reputable rescuer doesn't let dog-aggressive dogs near other dogs.

[LindsaySF]

What Defines a Non Reputable Rescue?

It overloads its few foster homes with dozens of dogs, while continuing to 'rescue' more.

It refuses to even consider alternatives like boarding kennels, no matter how nice they are, preferring to overload aforementioned foster homes.

It does not provide adequate socialization for dogs or puppies because the foster homes have too many animals to care for.

It does not conduct any temperament testing on dogs it pulls, allows people inexperienced with the breed to conduct temperament testing, or simply 'takes the word' of the shelter regarding a dog's temperament.

It does not consult a professional trainer for problem dogs or dogs of questionable temperament.

It does not see anything wrong with adopting out human-aggressive dogs, and thinks euthanizing said dogs is 'murder'.

It takes credit for things that are successful, but refuses to take responsibility when things go wrong.

It shows preferential treatment to certain people based on romantic entanglements, and refuses to support others based on same said romantic entanglements.

It refuses to reimburse foster homes for travel, veterinary, and other expenses.

It outright STEALS donations, and then lies about it and blames innocent members for it.

It tries to save more dogs than it can handle or has the money/room for.

It pulls dogs from shelters or other situations without having a foster home ready and waiting.

It allows dogs with behavioral or medical problems to be taken in by inexperienced fosters.

It allows same-sex adoptions to first-time pit bull owners.

It allows multiple dog adoptions (2 or more dogs) to first-time dog owners or first-time pit bull owners.

It does not provide educational materials or adoption counseling to adopters.

It does not take the time to match the dog's personality to the adopter's lifestyle.

It allows multiple same-sex fostering, where dogs are often not yet spayed/neutered, without stressing (or realizing) the potential for dog aggression.

It postpones, or avoids altogether, signing foster agreement paperwork.

It administers its own vaccinations, wormings, and other treatments, therefore only seeing a veterinarian for spaying and neutering.

It allows unvaccinated puppies from different litters to interact, and allows potential adopters to go from puppy to puppy without properly washing and disinfecting their hands.

It choses locations for puppy parties or other events based on convenience to certain members, thereby doubling the travel time for other members.

It allows forum members to conduct home visits, regardless of their level of experience.

It allows dogs to be adopted out without receiving all vaccinations (intentionally or not).

It re-transports dogs unnecessarily due to poor planning and personal vendettas.

Dogs are shuffled from foster home to foster home because fosters are not properly screened, warned of what can go wrong, or supported (emotionally or financially) by the rescue.

It BANS members from its online forum for disagreeing with its rescue policies and procedures.

It deletes entire threads or individual posts from its online forum for disagreeing with its rescue policies and procedures.

It lies to members of its online forum.

It offers advice (behavioral, medical, or other) that is ignorant or entirely false.

It suggests a diet of raw food for any medical problem, be it digestive, respiratory, musculatory, or other in nature, while the owner of the rescue just so happens to be a raw food distributor.


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Do let me know if I left anything out...



~Lindsay~

[Maryellen]

um lindsey, i think you covered it all..

[Maryellen]

a non reputable rescue only relies on shelter workers to temperment test the dogs, and doesnt test the dogs when the dogs come into the program, then blames the foster when something happens.

[SisMorphine]

A non-reputable rescue is in it for the money and the women, not for the dogs.

[Sue]

A non-reputable rescue is in it for the money and the women, not for the dogs.

I was JUST going to post that That is what is all boils down too....

Ladies, all I have to say is that the view is so much better from the ivory tower. Nice of you to join Sandy and I. Although I must say, it's getting a bit crowded... Maybe we can find some puppies to afford an addition

[a-bull]

Recommending training via dominance.

[Marinepits]

And "desensitizing" aggression in dog-aggressive dogs by forcing them to face each other -- one in a crate and the other outside the crate, while they both try to get at the other. Interesting "training" method there.

[cheekymunkee]

And tosses puppies in crates with dog aggressive dogs. Sorta stupid don'tcha think?

[Marinepits]

And tosses puppies in crates with dog aggressive dogs. Sorta stupid don'tcha think?

That's a whole new level of stupidity.

[cheekymunkee]

AND ( this is a BIG and) WHAT reputable rescue is on DNA/DNR lists?? NONE that I know of.

[Maryellen]

and when pups are in a crate and get killed by the adult dog in the crate.... and the rescuer doesnt stop to see what is happening, and the pup is killed....

[Purple]

[Verderben]

They also beg other people at 7 am to drive two hours to pull a dog and promise to pick it up that weekend and never show up.

They also bash and trash said person for euthanizing said dog when it is apparent it is human aggressive.....

[Jenn]

My oh my, I think you've all just about covered it, .

[hoagiesmomma]

I'm not sure how to even go about starting here...

I DON'T want to come on here looking like suddenly the kool-aid went sour on me...or I just got bitter (in case anyone might be confused about this...I, too, NEVER slept with eric! hahahah)

and I DON'T want to eat crow for defending someone that I shouldn't have...

and I DON'T want to be one of "the gals"...

but I'm afraid, ladies...

I'm just going to have to!

all personal disagreements aside...

I am completely committed right now to shutting his rescue down. I've seen and heard too much in the last few months to have ANY faith whatsoever in the way things or run or the safety of the dogs (and people) involved.

I'm looking for a practical solution...and hoping to keep the extraneous emotional entanglement to a minimum (ie. I'm sick of fighting).

what can be done to stop him?

[LindsaySF]

Good to see you here Geneia.

I have defended him to people before too. But it was never about stuff as serious as this. I didn't know then what I know now.

And you can tell so much by meeting someone. My defense of him before was based on the 'virtual Eric'. The one that comes though on his website and on his forum. That Eric seems cool. Eric in person? Ehh, I was less than impressed...


I met Eric on Saturday at the MA puppy party, and the way that party was so poorly organized was very telling to me.

Another thing that bothered me was the treatment of adult foster Victor. He spent the ENTIRE time in his crate. It really bothered me how he was completely ignored by Eric. His sad little eyes followed Eric around the room the entire day, and not once did Eric acknowledge him. NOT ONCE did he come over to pet him.

I was preparing the vaccines on top of his crate, and he looked up at me too. I stopped frequently to pet him (through the bars, I was told not to take him out because he is "very strong" and "we don't want him to get loose"). You think he is strong? You've obviously never met Brutus!! But I digress...

I tried many times to get Victor to wag his tail for me and get excited to see me, but he turned his head away. He only had eyes for Eric...

I didn't even see them take Victor out to go to the bathroom all day. To be fair, I suppose it is possible that someone did while I was in the back room with the puppies. Melanie, did you see this?

Now I understand that Eric was busy. He had puppies to sell, errr... ADOPT OUT, and he was busy making the rounds and taking pics. But come on, it takes 2 friggin seconds to say "Hi Victor!" and stick your fingers in at him. That would have been something at least...

The only time Victor came out of his crate was for his photo session. All of the pics on the Victor page I linked you to above were taken in the span of 60 seconds. (You can tell because the people in the background are in almost the exact same position). And you can tell how happy he is to be out of the crate. He kept putting his paw on Jaime and barking at her, BEGGING for some attention finally!! But once the pics were done, he got shoved back in his crate.

Yet on that webpage Eric says "I had the pleasure of socializing dear aVictor this past weekend at a puppy party in Mass." THAT is socialization to you?? No wonder dogs adopted from you are unstable!!

"Victor tagged along for the exposure, to show potential puppy parents what a GREAT boy he is, and to get some wags and hugs from everyone". Hugs huh? I didn't see any of those. And no wags either. Victor was not introduced to any other dogs at this party.

And to top it all off, when Melanie and I first arrived we asked who Victor was (I don't think adult fosters usually come to these things, except for the mothers of the pups). Eric's response was "Oh, that's Victor. He's kind of a handful and my dad wants him out of the house for a while." NO talk of this wonderful exposure and socialization opportunity...

Is this animal abuse? Not really. Is it wrong? Is it inappropriate behavior from someone who claims to love these dogs so much? I think so. And it makes me very very sad...

I had been at this puppy party for all of 15 seconds when he let out the statement above, and it was not said with fondness either. This was Red Flag #1 to me...



~Lindsay~