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Postby DemoDick » November 8th, 2008, 10:52 pm

I never pretended to be like what some of you went through. Demo threw those words out there.


You're not being truthful here. You intentionally, through omission, misrepresented your socioeconomic status (which is why I called you a liar and got moderated for it). Backpedalling now doesn't change that, and the posters coming out of the woodwork are seeing right through it. Protest all you want, but it's plain for anyone to see that you would have been much happier if everyone continued to believe that the only money you had access to was your "double digit" bank account.

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Postby aophoto » November 8th, 2008, 10:55 pm

Ok Demo, if that helps you and other sleep at night.

Like I said before, I'm not gunna bother anymore, cause you guys are set on thinking I'm a millionaire, so go ahead and put me in that fantasy world you've created for me.
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Postby BritneyP » November 8th, 2008, 11:01 pm

DemoDick wrote:You will never look at empty cupboards and wish you could afford to eat. You will never have to face the decision of whether to not pay the power bill and freeze or keep your phone line on so that prospective employers can call you back regarding job applications. You will never know what it's like to siphon gas out of your lawn mower to put in your car so you can drive to job interviews. You will never have to make the decision to feed your kids instead of yourself. You will never have to stuff your kid's stockings with oranges and apples instead of toys at Christmas.



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Postby airwalk » November 8th, 2008, 11:02 pm

There is no mention of college or anything otherwise. I'm merely talking about donating to people that need it. Again from my other post, I'm NOT going to give away my parents money. If they feel they need to donate, they can do it for themselves.


I'm not going to go back through 52 pages and find it, but I clearly remember a conversation in this thread where you challenged that the donations that Jen, Michelle, I and others made to those that we believed needed it as (please I'm paraphrasing here) as insufficient for the overall good.

Yet, you state here that you don't have money to donate to those that need it and you aren't going to give away your parents money (which by the way I completely agree with), but why then would you believe it appropriate for anyone else to give away your parents money, or mine, or Jen's?
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Postby DemoDick » November 8th, 2008, 11:12 pm

aophoto wrote:Ok Demo, if that helps you and other sleep at night.


I just went on a five-mile run after doing seven hours of strenuous yard work on about 1000 calories. I'm going to sleep pretty well even if Hugh Hefner shows up with a bunch of Bunnies to clean my house.

Like I said before, I'm not gunna bother anymore, cause you guys are set on thinking I'm a millionaire, so go ahead and put me in that fantasy world you've created for me.


How about talking me up on my earlier offer? You could easily dispel the "myth" that you are wealthy by simply posting the tax returns I requested. In the interest of fairness, I'll be happy to do the same. I have nothing to hide. Hell, my current salary is public knowledge. My parents don't even pay taxes any more because they live on fixed income and don't even have to file.

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Postby pitbullmamaliz » November 8th, 2008, 11:20 pm

Can everybody play nicey-nice without a mod here to babysit, or do I need to lock this thread when I leave?
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Postby airwalk » November 8th, 2008, 11:31 pm

No problem Liz..I can play nice, just everyone agree with me..and I'll knock 'em back into line if they disagree...have a nice evening! :wink: :D
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Postby mnp13 » November 8th, 2008, 11:53 pm

aophoto wrote:I never pretended to be like what some of you went through. Demo threw those words out there. I merely stated that I didn't have enough money to donate to people that I thought needed it. Again, you guys are right, I didn't have to go through college paycheck by paycheck, and I'm glad I didn't. I've heard too many horror stories about having to pay off student loans. Again, to make my point clear, I NEVER pretended to go through college paycheck to paycheck. I NEVER pretended anything of the sort. I stated:

Do you want to see a screenshot of my bank account... 88 bucks in savings and 100 in checking. I really don't think i'm at a point where I can donate to a lot of people, although thanks to you guys and many of your conservative views I did make a decent donation to Barack Obama's campaign, just to be sure to help.


There is no mention of college or anything otherwise. I'm merely talking about donating to people that need it. Again from my other post, I'm NOT going to give away my parents money. If they feel they need to donate, they can do it for themselves.

And it finally comes full circle. The money issue came up initially because you had the gall to question my decision to go to a different country to do missions work. I chose to help people in another country and you said that I should have spent my money here so that the government could get taxes from that money. (paraphrased because I don't feel like going digging)

You questioned what I did with my money and then stated that people who have money should be willing to give more. At that time you were "conveniently" leaving out the fact that you have plenty of money to spend on what you want to spend it on. I blew you in on that, and frankly, I'm glad I did.

Also, I know it's been several (dozen) posts since you stated this, but I am really irked by your post about how you're aspiring to be a well-known photographer and therefore you needed the best equipment. Do you think Michelle is just aspiring to be a mediocre photographer? Of course not, no matter what you do you should aspire to be the best. However, most people have to work their way up to the best equipment - they start with what they can afford and save for better. So please don't insinuate that Michelle is not a good photographer or aspiring to be one (as she is extremely talented) just because her camera has noise in low light (and yes, I know what that means). It's condescending, and it annoys me as she is my friend. So I'll say something even if she doesn't.

Thank you Liz. Talent doesn't come from equipment, though some people would like to think it does.


And yes, I could have gotten worse equipment, but I worked the entire previous summer at a newspaper, building my portfolio and earning money to be able to buy what I did.

Summer is what? 3 months? You have a D3 ( http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon ... 34/D3.html ) You had a paid internship that allowed you to save $5,000 to spend on a camera? I think I need to get an internship where you were, since after taxes you can pay living expenses, car, gas, insurance, etc and still have an extra $5,000 to spend on a camera. Why bother ever getting a job if an internship pays that well?

Your previous camera (you posted this earlier in this thread as well) was a D200 ( http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon ... /D200.html ) Which was introduced by Nikon November 1, 2005.

So, in under three years you purchased two cameras totaling over $6,500. That does not include memory cards, lenses, flashes, etc etc etc etc etc.

Look, there is a simple underlying theme here... you started your posts on this thread telling us that redistributing other people's wealth was part of being a member of an "enlightened" society and that Obama was the one to lead us down that path. What you were "forgetting" to mention was that you have plenty of your own money that you don't choose to redistribute. You can couch that in the "need" to have ultra high end photography equipment, but that's a load of crap and you know it. There are PLENTY of professionals out there who do NOT have $5,000 cameras.

The point here is NOT the cameras. The point is that you seem to be sitting on quite the moral high horse talking about spreading the wealth... well, everyone's wealth but your own... you are quite happy to spend that on whatever you feel like it. And you are quite good at making excuses for that.
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Postby aophoto » November 9th, 2008, 12:08 am

You guys have fun thinking whatever you like of me, but I am willing to redistribute my wealth, and that's the end.
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Postby amazincc » November 9th, 2008, 12:17 am

aophoto wrote:You guys have fun thinking whatever you like of me, but I am willing to redistribute my wealth, and that's the end.


Good for you... and the recipients. :hug3:

I would like to think that everyone is willing to help out their fellow beings (human or otherwise) as much as possible when one is in a position to do so. :wink:

Now stop this bickering - it's giving me a headache. >(
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Postby LMM » November 9th, 2008, 1:00 am

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Wow, ok.
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Postby mnp13 » November 9th, 2008, 9:44 am

aophoto wrote:You guys have fun thinking whatever you like of me, but I am willing to redistribute my wealth, and that's the end.


You just haven't bothered to yet. :rolleyes2:
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Postby SassyCassie » November 9th, 2008, 10:50 am

aophoto wrote:You guys have fun thinking whatever you like of me, but I am willing to redistribute my wealth, and that's the end.


I wasn't going to touch this topic with a ten foot pole, but .....................

Do you think when the government calculates your 'wealth' they are going to use the measly amount you have in your bank account? No, they will use the pre-tax amount, and if you spend all your money on luxuries and have nothing left, they don't give a crap, you still have to pony up your taxes. Anyone who makes money will have to share with those who don't - including those who are too lazy to work. And there are plenty of those in this country, thanks to our great welfare system.

And if you believe the whole 'people who make $250,000k and up are the ONLY ones who are going to be taxed more' you are deceiving yourself. That may be the initial people they go after, but they already started lowering the limit even before BHO was elected. We'll all end up paying in the end.

I think it's going to be a fun four years. (or God forbid, eight, if the Republicans don't get their act together and start listening to their constituents) Yes, life will suck for all of us, but it will certainly be entertaining. And the liberal party will be destroyed for all time if BHO makes good on all his promises.
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Postby Violet » November 9th, 2008, 2:19 pm

Sounds like President Elect Obamas first act may be to try push through the second economic stimulus package Bush suggested. http://www.financialpost.com/news/story.html?id=941496

interesting.
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » November 9th, 2008, 2:21 pm

Economics is way over my head. I just don't understand where the money is coming from. :|
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Postby Violet » November 9th, 2008, 2:31 pm

pitbullmamaliz wrote:Economics is way over my head. I just don't understand where the money is coming from. :|



taxes from the rich? lol

Basically stimulus packages tend to put the country in the hole creating a defecit. That IDEA, however, is that it gets us through the short term and will be paid back as people get back on their feet.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your take, the large, below and meeting poverty section of our country NEVER pays taxes and, if working, gets a nice big chunk of change at tax time courtesy of EIC. Then there are those lovely child tax credits. Yummy. Free money. So..I don't know how it's ever actually made up aside from taxing the crap out of people who have managed to get ahead in life.
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Postby cheekymunkee » November 9th, 2008, 2:37 pm

You know that nice chunk of change that is taken from your check every pay period? THAT is who pays for it chickie, that is where the money comes from. You and me & every one who makes a pay check. Just like the socialist bailout ( and the ones that will follow) , WE paid for that.
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » November 9th, 2008, 2:39 pm

Alrighty. I wasn't sure if it was coming from our taxes. The whole federal deficit thing just really confuses the bejeezus out of me. I think the Federal Reserve should just make more money. Or the mint. Or whoever makes it.
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Postby airwalk » November 9th, 2008, 2:40 pm

and we'll continue to pay for it, as will our children and grandchildren and great grandchildren

Unfortunately simply making more paper only creates deficit and reduces the value of the dollar. No such thing as free money
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Postby cheekymunkee » November 9th, 2008, 2:45 pm

Economics IS very confusing but the bottom line is......if it needs to be paid for the american worker is the one footing the bill.
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