Decision 2008

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Postby SisMorphine » March 5th, 2008, 6:49 pm

Though I voted Obama, I have no issues with Hillary. What's everyone's beef? I just hear people say "she sucks" but I've never seen anyone say why?



Frankly right now it's either Clinton, Obama, or McCain and any of them will be a HUGE leap in the right direction after suffering under America's most famous Village Idiot for 8 years.
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Postby pitbullmamaliz » March 5th, 2008, 8:34 pm

I am proud to say that I voted for Hillary. But I did it because her beliefs are most in line with mine, not just because she's a woman.
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Postby Magnolia618 » March 5th, 2008, 8:58 pm

I just got home from work, so excuse me if my posts sounds like a 4 yr old wrote it. I'm tired.

My mom voted for Hillary, I voted for Obama. I tried to talk her out of it untill the minute we voted.


First off, I have basically no problem with her, and I will be thrilled if she is president. I supported her until Obama came along.

My mom voted for her because she was a woman. She says that it was because she has more experience, BUT she wouldnt have voted for her if she was a white male.... therefore she voted for her because of her sex. My mom voted for Nader in the last election, experience my arse. lol


To me, Obama just seems like the better choice. Hillary is conforming too much to the conservative side for my taste. Obama has gotten where he is by being different and by being himself. Hillary was on the board of WALMART for christs sake. :shock: aaaand she voted for the war. :|

To me, it is a miracle that Obama has gotten as far as he has. IMO it is alot harder to be a black male in this country, than a white woman. For the first time, I am actually proud of this country for that (wait... didnt Michelle O. say that? rofl )

I just thing she will have to be a warmongering (is that a word) hardass to be taken seriously, and that's not cool with me. I also don't think we should have a bush/clinton/bush/clinton thing going on.


(and Obama is hotter. :wink: )
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Postby gayrghts » March 5th, 2008, 11:37 pm

On March 05 2008, 7:34 PM, pitbullmamaliz wrote:I am proud to say that I voted for Hillary. But I did it because her beliefs are most in line with mine, not just because she's a woman.


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Postby demolitionic » March 5th, 2008, 11:48 pm

My big beef with Hillary comes from her hypocrisy as far as her relationship goes. I believe that she stayed in a sham marriage in the face of adultery SOLELY for the purpose of political gain - and then had the audacity to preach a political platform regarding the sanctity of marriage and family.

That just killed me.

I don't agree with Barack's handgun stance though, but I support him more than I could Hillary.
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Postby cheekymunkee » March 6th, 2008, 12:53 am

Ron Paul ya'll. :wink: And I will be writing him in.
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Postby SisMorphine » March 6th, 2008, 7:45 am

On March 05 2008, 10:48 PM, demolitionic wrote:My big beef with Hillary comes from her hypocrisy as far as her relationship goes. I believe that she stayed in a sham marriage in the face of adultery SOLELY for the purpose of political gain - and then had the audacity to preach a political platform regarding the sanctity of marriage and family.

That just killed me.

I don't agree with Barack's handgun stance though, but I support him more than I could Hillary.

Meh. Maybe they're polyamorous :| Swingers? Or maybe she just loves him so much that she felt it was something she needed to work through. Cheating is wrong when in a monogamous relationship, but that doesn't always mean the other person needs to be tied to a stake and roasted.

A good portion of my friends are polyamorous (which I've found definitely isn't the lifestyle for me . . . I don't like to share) so perhaps this just skews my view of how she handled it. But either way, I think that Hillary handled it well, she handled the joking well. I can't even count the number of "frigid" or "cobweb" jokes regarding her I've seen and heard from all corners of the comedy world. And you KNOW she's heard most of them herself. I couldn't deal with it myself.

I think she's very strong for being able to handle that issue, especially having to do it in the public eye. But at the same time I also don't think that her personal life (which unfortunately for her is so public) should sway us in how we view her political stance. Unless that personal life involves killing puppies out of boredom, I think it's a o k to separate the two.
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Postby DemoDick » March 6th, 2008, 5:38 pm

To me, Obama just seems like the better choice. Hillary is conforming too much to the conservative side for my taste. Obama has gotten where he is by being different and by being himself. Hillary was on the board of WALMART for christs sake. aaaand she voted for the war.


Obama is NOT opposed to war, as long as it serves his political purposes. He sounds just like our current President in the following clips. If elected, expect even MORE unilateral entanglement in foreign countries, starting with Pakistan (which incidentally, is nuclear capable).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2XTC1V ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc4qnpu3 ... re=related

As for Hillary, I am one who has a visceral negative reaction to her. I consider her dishonest and power hungry, willing to pander to whomever she needs to when she smells votes. This hardly makes her unique in American politics, but she and her husband take it to an extreme.

On a core level, I reject the idea that it is the Government's responsibility to take care of the needs of its citizens, cradle to grave. Not only does this create apathy and laziness in the citizenry as well as a complete inability to take part in what should be a representative government, consider the ramifications of putting the same entitiy that bankrupted Social Security, failed to manage the aftermath of Katrina, and has mismanaged the conflicts in Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq further in charge of our lives. No thanks.

The problem with American politics is that is has changed from a Representative Republic to an oligarchy, with the names Clinton, Kennedy, and Bush topping the list. Don't expect Obama to do anything different than his predecessors, except of course to spend more and expect us to pay for it. No nation has ever taxed and spent itself into prosperity or out of economic problems. And tax and spend is exactly what Obama has promised, under the flowery euphemism of "change". Well, it takes a lot more than "change" to bankroll what he wants to do, it takes billions.

I'm holding out for a Ron Paul independent ticket.

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Postby cheekymunkee » March 6th, 2008, 8:16 pm

I have some Ron Paul dvd's, if any one would like one let me know.
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Postby amazincc » March 6th, 2008, 10:33 pm

A woman shows up at the white house in a trench coat and scarf and says: "I received your emergency phone call, Mrs. Clinton, and came right away, but what could "I" possibly do to save the country?"

Mrs. Clinton: "Come inside and let me explain, Mrs. Bobbit..."

IF I could vote... I'd vote for Hillary. :mrgreen:
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Postby demolitionic » March 7th, 2008, 3:11 pm

On March 05 2008, 10:53 PM, cheekymunkee wrote:Ron Paul ya'll. :wink: And I will be writing him in.


Texas has a law (I *just* learned this the other day) that if you vote now, you are not allowed to write in a candidate in November. :|
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Postby cheekymunkee » March 7th, 2008, 3:14 pm

On March 07 2008, 1:11 PM, demolitionic wrote:
On March 05 2008, 10:53 PM, cheekymunkee wrote:Ron Paul ya'll. :wink: And I will be writing him in.


Texas has a law (I *just* learned this the other day) that if you vote now, you are not allowed to write in a candidate in November. :|


Screw them! I'm doing it anyway. I have before. :|
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Postby cheekymunkee » March 7th, 2008, 6:17 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/07/ ... index.html

Spokesman: Ron Paul will end presidential run
Announcement comes soon after Sen. McCain became the presumptive GOP nominee

Paul says: "Revolutions are long-term projects"

Texas congressman credits "victories" to work and enthusiasm of supporters


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(CNN) -- A spokesman for Ron Paul's presidential campaign said Friday that the Texas congressman is ending his run for the White House.


Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988.

"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.

Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday.

"Though victory in the conventional political sense is not available in the presidential race, many victories have been achieved due to your hard work and enthusiasm," Paul said in the video.

His comments came two days after Sen. John McCain became the presumptive GOP nominee.

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, announced Tuesday he was quitting the race after McCain victories in Tuesday's primaries, leaving Paul as his only opponent.

Benton said the campaign encourages supporters to continue to take part in primary process and that Paul would honor requests from supporters to speak.

"We still think we can influence the debate and build an organization moving forward that brings the GOP back to its roots," Benton said.

Paul, who ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988, is the sole Republican candidate to call for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq. He is a distant fourth in the GOP delegate count, behind McCain, Huckabee and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

"We must remember, elections are short-term efforts," Paul said. "Revolutions are long-term projects."

Paul's "Hope for America" campaign has been a grassroots effort, focusing on a "limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies," according to his Web site.

"But even with the past year's achievements, we're still the early stages of bringing about the changes that this revolution is all about
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Postby Magnolia618 » April 7th, 2008, 12:01 am

Thought this was interesting:


10 things you should know about John McCain (but probably don't):

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.


2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi.

3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned.

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult.

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.

John McCain is not who the Washington press corps makes him out to be.

So forward this email to your personal network! And if you want stay in the

loop on MoveOn's work to get the truth out about John McCain, sign up here:
http://pol. moveon. org/mccaintruth/

Thanks!

SOURCES:

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"The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs. abcnews. com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated. html
"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange. org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange. org/mccain_facts/

2.

"McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www. bloomberg. com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aF28rSCtk0ZM&refer=us

"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress. org/2008/02/06/buchanan-gandhi-mccain/
3.

"McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress. org/2008/02/20/mccain-torture-veto/
4. "McCain says Roe v.

Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www. msnbc. msn. com/id/17222147/
5.

"2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www. childrensdefense. org/site/PageServer?pagename=act_learn_scorecard2007

"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www. cnn. com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain. interview/
6.

"Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap. google. com/article/ALeqM5h-S1sWHm0tchtdMP5LcLywg5ZtMgD8VQ86M80
"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End ..Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www. bloomberg. com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHMiDVYaXZFM&refer=home

7.

"Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews. go. com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022

"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www. boston. com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/27/famed_mccain_temper_is_tamed/

8.

"Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress. org/2008/04/02/mccain-black-lobbyist/

"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews. go. com/Blotter/story?id=4210251

9.

"McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www. moveon. org/r?r=3519

"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress. org/2008/03/12/mccain-hagee-anti-gay/
"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress. org/2008/02/28/hagee-mccain-endorsement/

10.

"John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www. alternet. org/blogs/environment/77913/
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Postby msvette2u » April 7th, 2008, 12:05 am

cheekymunkee wrote:Ron Paul ya'll. :wink: And I will be writing him in.


I think that's what I'm going to have to do too. ;)
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Postby Magnolia618 » April 7th, 2008, 12:07 am

I'm totally cool with that. :D
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Postby msvette2u » April 7th, 2008, 12:07 am

BTW, what's up with this??? Is this what someone meant about his "stance on guns"?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9398.html

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2 ... ners/9894/
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Postby msvette2u » April 7th, 2008, 12:14 am

Magnolia618 wrote:I'm totally cool with that. :D


yeah...I replied to Cheeky's post before I saw yours, btw...

Actually I think it's all a bit of a joke...we'll know more in the months to come ;)

I also think the platitudes about a "change" are kind of a crock.
You can ask Africa about "change"...
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Postby cheekymunkee » April 7th, 2008, 11:27 am

Oh I defintatly think McCain is scary. :o
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Postby msvette2u » April 7th, 2008, 1:03 pm

cheekymunkee wrote:Oh I defintatly think McCain is scary. :o


Well you can't really tell where he stands on any issue, but the others are flipping and flopping all over, too at this point.
I may just vote for Copper... lol
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